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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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triangle you know there's explanation

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for everything that occurred in the

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involve aliens at all it was completely

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silent it comes right over our head it's

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so a classic flying-saucer really

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standing in the clearing he turned over

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to my father held his hand and he looked

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coming out to you live hang on just one

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minute we're having just a little bit

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bit issue here going to alejandro is

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just not connecting with him and he is

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online so there's something really weird

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going on and we will try to see if he

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can connect to us first of all I have

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some tragic news for for the show here

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for us out there listeners and

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everything and that is I and I don't

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birthdays so don't say happy birthday or

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anything like that police but anyway I

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also shared my birthday with Andy

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Fleming who you know from episodes of

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astronomy that he used to be on our show

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he has done a lot of blogs he was a

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amateur astronomer that saw a black

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triangle fly over him that Andy the

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great Andy he passed away I tried to

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reach out to him yesterday because we

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shared that birthday he has the same

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birthday as myself I would like to

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dedicate this show alejandra you there I

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am here oh my goodness were good to go

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finally so uh Andy Fleming the gentleman

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that does astronomy clips for us passed

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away Alejandro and I

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just telling the audience that no yeah

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is very very sad he was such an upbeat

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guy the last time he did a clip for us

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he was recording on his pool table with

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the blanket over him so he wouldn't get

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any echo and funny guy a real family guy

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and loved his dogs as well so Andy

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you'll be very missed and we are

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dedicating this show to Andy and also

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with that that everybody gets to listen

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to the whole full two hour show without

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paying note you know supporters and all

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everybody gets to listen to this show

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tonight and our guest tonight I met

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Israel curiel in North Carolina two

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years ago I think it was yes two years

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ago and it was kind of funny when he

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walked in the room and everybody knew

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him a real nice guy and I'm really

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looking forward to talking him tonight

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but let's move forward Alejandro and

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what do we have for news this week we

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got well June was a record month for

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sightings from MUFON which is kind of

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strange in fact I was hoping to get you

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this information before you talk to

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Peter Davenport to see if something

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simple similar happened with him but

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this is kind of cool so really this year

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year in fact I made a graph and really

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only maze been higher than last year

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when it comes to MUFON as far as

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sighting reports however June just

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skyrocketed which is really strange

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reports last year they had about seven

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thousand reports but this June they had

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reports Wow amazing so yeah so I could

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yeah what's going on yeah the aliens are

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freaking out there all over the place

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this is getting crazy they're climbing

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around that that well actually that's

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what I asked Jen hars and the director

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of move on

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and Roger marsh and Roger Marsh got back

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to me and of course I talked to Roger

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Marsh on a daily basis because he writes

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for open mind about MUFON UFO cases and

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what it was and he said that was most

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little surprised that you know it's only

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that they think were really cool and I

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think that inspired a lot of people to

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of this well when I ran the numbers i

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also ran it and i think this kind of

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place for his his theory as well I ran

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it against the state so I took all of

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sighting reports they've had to date and

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rest and it was all kind of relative so

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spike and also he took a look at the

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files and he found that the files were

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mostly anecdotal or I mean historical

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sightings which makes sense so a lot of

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people sitting around watching TV and

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they see the show and they're like hey

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about it and so they went online and I

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reported him so these are stories that

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week was and I was kind of shocked to

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hear this and he thinks that it's one

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reported and you know I mean here's a

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guy that's been working with these

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numbers for 21 years I think it is so

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you know he's really got a handle on

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on and now i'm not sure if that he meant

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by that what gets to the completion of a

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written report because that was the

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issue many people who call in but most

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people did not want to go through the

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effort of writing a report about it and

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were many many bear he said it would

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take a whole show to tell all the

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excuses out of yours yeah right and I

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hear them a lot to of what's funny is

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even when you go to MUFON meetings and

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someone said I saw something well did

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you go to the site and report it nah you

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kind of a shot in the dark but I think

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that it is a large number so it may be

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very near what he's saying but I think

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he's writing that a small a very small

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fraction of reports are are listed

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because really who knows that you can

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report them or who would report them to

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a lot of people call local news station

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note of it may do something with it may

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majority of reports are not reported and

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mysterious which kind of cool to is my

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easy sign in and so what else has going

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on this week oh well some of these

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actually this story about these

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sightings and in june was my last story

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but Rogers written a lot of stories and

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he's written about some of those

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historical sightings that have been

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reported them to them lately for

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gentleman said that he was working at

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the newport chemical depot when in

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indiana when he had a really strange

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sighting he said he noticed dim light in

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the distance it seemed to be above the

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ground level and about tree line so they

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stayed in their vehicle and they watched

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this thing he said it was really dark

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out and that the craft got larger it

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seemingly I guess getting closer and it

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appeared to be like a glowing globe with

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other globes of lights on the corner in

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fact he drew a drawing that we just

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posted today that Roger just got ahold

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of we kind of did an update with some

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more information about this really cool

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sighting so people will have to take a

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look at that another one of the

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sightings that he wrote about was one in

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Alabama now this person recalls this in

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1966 but pretty shocking I mean this

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person said that he had just moved to

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Huntsville Alabama so it was sometime in

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1966 or 1967 and they noticed what

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seemed to be steam escaping from a

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rocket testing tower located on a

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redstone arsenal and there's a lot

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online about this tower because it's

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been used for testing rockets and things

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like that he got his binoculars and took

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a look because it looked like there's

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this big disk there he said it looked

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like a disk that was about that was at a

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45 degree angle and about one-half to

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two-thirds the size of the tower which

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is incredible because this leading looks

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like it's at least you know 50 feet tall

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or something I don't know

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it's a huge rocket tower he said when he

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did get his binoculars to look at it

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that the object was gone so a really

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weird siding and when you see the

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pictures of the tower to think that this

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thing was half the size of the tower

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must have been humongous so some neat

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sightings that have come from this spike

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in June reports that presumably comes

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from the hanger1 television show well if

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you know I mean whatever can get out

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there to you know give people an idea

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how to report something I think is a

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great thing and I think that you know

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that that will keep even more coming as

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we go along now which sighting was it

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that look like the big walnut that's in

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this story it kind of looks like Jay al

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628 1628 incident you know yeah that was

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it nineteen ninety-four citing that was

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over the newport indiana chemical

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facility chemical depot yeah that's

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where that sighting ones so yeah the guy

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said it was much it looks like the

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walnut thing that the Japanese pilot

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drew way back when that incident

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happened in 1987 I think it was yeah

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that's true it does look very similar

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and this thing he says was about

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probably 300 to 350 feet wide so pretty

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huge object according to this witness so

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yeah pretty cool citing this one

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actually was thoroughly investigated as

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well and the field investigator nade Ned

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Delaney for Indiana MUFON closed it as

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an unknown so that means you know he was

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not able to figure out any sort of

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man-made or mundane object that that

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might have been seen right now you can

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check out all these stories in the show

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notes there's links to open minds dot TV

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all the stories are there also I wanted

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to tell you that I really enjoy your

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your open minds UFO report on YouTube oh

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well thank you very much yeah looks like

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you put a whole

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you must put a whole week of work at

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least into that well you know we put

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most of the work in the stories

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themselves that were writing on a daily

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basis so then we pull from those and cut

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those we do but it does take a week to

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produce because we usually will film

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those on a tuesday and then Michael our

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video editor he's he will then take the

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rest of the week to edit that usually

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gets it done on thursday and we get it

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ready and then posted on friday morning

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so yeah it's a week's work worth of work

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for him and michael klein you know I

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think he's extremely talented he does

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all of that video work all of those

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graphics and everything all on his own

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so pretty cool stuff well I was talking

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earlier about North Carolina is he the

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gent that I met down there when was he

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has he been with the no well he's

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someone that was yeah that was a guy

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named Tom Ruffin who used to work for

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entertainment tonight he actually went

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to go work for a local television show I

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had to show that actually that it's

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called the list I think and it's

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indicated all over the country but it's

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shot here in the in the area but Michael

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was kind of working as helping him out

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for a while and then came on full-time

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and michael has taken on the workload

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himself but he's continued to do a great

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job but yeah North Carolina was a

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different fella Tom Ruffin and you might

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have met Michael at the conference but

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he's always backstage so he's always

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back there you know pulling the levers

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and pushing the buttons and help make

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everything work just like The Wizard of

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Oz hey just the woods adobo we have a

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question for you alejandro up on the

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message ok and do you have anything new

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from Don Schmidt at Roswell that did

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I've had a few people ask me that and no

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I do not have anything new actually I I

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didn't have the nerve just to go up and

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ask I I know that both of them Tom carry

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and on Schmidt are a bit there they're

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not real happy everything's god damn not

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that luckily you know we're able to say

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hi give hugs because Don and I

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especially you know our good friends

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known

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for a while even through all of this

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this rough stuff but yeah as far as I

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know no one asked them for a status of

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their opinions I did sit into part of a

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panel but I had to run and it was mostly

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you know they were just starting to get

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into just the very my new the minutiae

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coming in about Roswell and the basics

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because a lot of people that go out

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there you know they don't know much

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about you followed you or anything

359
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they're just kind of people from all

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over the world coming out to check out

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the festival and everything so I i did

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not i have not heard that they referred

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to it at all and unfortunately we were

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both so busy that i never got a chance

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to sit down with them and of course i

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was planning to ask so was my girlfriend

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she was really curious she's also

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friends with Don and she wanted to too

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she said as soon as she got a chance she

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wanted to ask but we never got the

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chance it was just too busy and we had

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to run but I went vine crazy people

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should check out my facebook because if

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you know what vine there those six

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minutes six second videos yeah so I got

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a lot of really cool videos from Roswell

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including Darryl ship Sims doing a

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yeehaw on top of a Segway which is a

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pretty funny one but lots of cool stuff

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there all right well hey thanks so much

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and yeah thank you alright and we'll

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catch you next week alejandro talk to

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you next week's they had Israel for me I

384
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sure will ok hang in there everyone and

385
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just a reminder Art Bell will be coming

386
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back on this station just in about two

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weeks I believe it's a July twentieth so

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get ready for that that should be fun

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hanging just one second right after the

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quick little music clip and we'll be

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Israel curiel how are you good how are

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you Martin great great great to have you

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back on up you know I had forgotten that

394
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you were actually on the show for like

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five minutes waving us two years oh just

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a little brief hello and i was

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interviewing a bunch of people and all

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of a sudden something dawned on me the

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other day and i took a look and ago my

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God he's been on now you're also you've

401
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also listened to a lot of the shows and

402
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I really appreciate your you're doing

403
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that yeah you know I I truly value what

404
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you're doing um I just think that we

405
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need to reach more of the general

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general populace and the more avenues

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they have for learning about ufology the

408
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further we can get in just bringing this

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to the general understand to Jim general

410
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populace understanding sure you know it

411
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kind of goes along with what Alejandro

412
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was just talking about with hangar 1 you

413
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know I mean you hear little you know

414
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mixed reviews about the show but still

415
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you know when it when it it creates you

416
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know awareness for people that otherwise

417
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may not think twice about it or you know

418
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a good point he said is a lot of people

419
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including myself years ago had no clue

420
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about how to report something so oh it's

421
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all good no absolutely absolutely even

422
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today I want to go into the conversation

423
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a little bit more but because of hangar

424
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1 we are getting historical cases and

425
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typically in North Carolina gets about

426
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16 to 17 cases a month last June in June

427
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we had 30 and this month we are already

428
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at least one case a day so well ahead of

429
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our average and I do I believe a lot of

430
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it had to do with the hanger1 show

431
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out well you mentioned earlier that you

432
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got the word out that you're going to be

433
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on the show tonight and it looks like we

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have a lot of listeners in the in on the

435
00:19:50,670 --> 00:19:47,080
radio network listening so good job

436
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Thanks yeah is there a way that you see

437
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that how my god the I'll reduce our just

438
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shot it over to me but I also want to

439
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say that if someone is listening live

440
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you are welcome to jump in the chat room

441
00:20:07,919 --> 00:20:03,580
and you're welcome to jump in the chat

442
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room at podcast UFO calm and ask Israel

443
00:20:13,260 --> 00:20:09,670
a question also we're going to take

444
00:20:14,940 --> 00:20:13,270
calls and write this number down if you

445
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:14,950
would if you'd like to call in and ask a

446
00:20:18,900 --> 00:20:17,410
question also if you wanted to say

447
00:20:21,030 --> 00:20:18,910
something about Andy you're welcome to

448
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Andy Fleming you're welcome to do that

449
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as well and that number is 603 967 4030

450
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that 6039 6740 30 you're welcome to call

451
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in hour one hour to doesn't matter and

452
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so first of all before we get into your

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whole background and everything why when

454
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you walked into the room down in North

455
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Carolina did everyone get so excited and

456
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run up to you I don't know about

457
00:20:56,430 --> 00:20:53,890
everybody got excited but because I have

458
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been a MUFON investigator and the public

459
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relations director for move on pretty

460
00:21:03,330 --> 00:21:00,700
much from the start of my involvement

461
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women fun and I became an investigator

462
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in May of 2011 along with lokita at the

463
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time we had gone through a little bit of

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let's say organization changes in North

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Carolina and Steven white had come over

466
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from Tennessee to help us restart our

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chapter here so I've got a background in

468
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technology and Stephen had asked me to

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try to set up a website and try to give

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people a way to connect to move on and

471
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since then we try to hold a meeting

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every two months to at least every three

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months three or four months in North

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Carolina at this point you know I keep

475
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track of all our stuff on a website

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and we've had over 20 events throughout

477
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different cities in North Carolina and

478
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we typically get in tendance of 40 to 60

479
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people and I'm really proud of that fact

480
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because that when I talked to other

481
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state directors they always have it in a

482
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will tend to have it in the same city

483
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and you have a small group of people

484
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that keep going to all events mm-hmm I'm

485
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not sure that that's really the best way

486
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to at least fulfill this position as a

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public relations director I want it and

488
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that's a funny thing I mean I've spent

489
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my life working around marketing and IT

490
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and I'm using this website to the full

491
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potential I've got a large email

492
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distribution list and on top of using

493
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the technology we're going to places

494
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where people can you know come and see

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us and meet us and talk to us and more

496
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importantly share their stories and

497
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these 20 different meetings that we've

498
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had in North Carolina you cannot imagine

499
00:22:57,810 --> 00:22:55,510
how many stories we've heard lokita and

500
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I have been doing it so since 2011 and

501
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if we have 40 to 60 people show up in

502
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every meeting it's guaranteed that the

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two-thirds of the people there have UFO

504
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sightings if not far more involved or

505
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their experiences uh-huh now are these

506
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people that are actually members of

507
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MUFON they must be to get the

508
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notification know now that that's where

509
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my IT background comes in very it

510
00:23:36,660 --> 00:23:31,690
becomes very useful I actually pay and

511
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use Google Adwords so anybody in North

512
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Carolina and I specifically I can go

513
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into Google Adwords and say if you live

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in North Carolina I want UFO links to

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come to me so I have actually spent my

516
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own personal money to look for keywords

517
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,710
like UFOs or orange orbs and if somebody

518
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in North Carolina is searching for that

519
00:23:59,400 --> 00:23:57,520
they're going to find me so they'll come

520
00:24:02,220 --> 00:23:59,410
to our website and that's how they find

521
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:02,230
us in North Carolina I believe that

522
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currently have 98 MUFON members and I I

523
00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:09,610
don't know I I think that over the last

524
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what four years now we've met up 1,200

525
00:24:21,299 --> 00:24:17,230
people maybe wow so are you also an

526
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:21,309
investigator yourself I am uh-huh I am

527
00:24:27,260 --> 00:24:24,250
okay so if you have ninety eight members

528
00:24:30,180 --> 00:24:27,270
how many would you say our investigators

529
00:24:33,030 --> 00:24:30,190
that's the funny thing you know North

530
00:24:36,690 --> 00:24:33,040
Carolina is not the biggest state as far

531
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as populous but we mmm I think we're

532
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somewhere between 16 and 19

533
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investigators I think that's a pretty

534
00:24:48,930 --> 00:24:45,100
big number for you know aside the size

535
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:48,940
of our state um and right now I just

536
00:24:52,980 --> 00:24:50,650
spoke to lokita this afternoon looking

537
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at being the state director and she's

538
00:25:00,930 --> 00:24:57,940
had a handful of more requests to become

539
00:25:04,350 --> 00:25:00,940
new investigators wow that's great

540
00:25:06,539 --> 00:25:04,360
that's great so let's talk a little bit

541
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:06,549
about your background it's always an

542
00:25:12,060 --> 00:25:09,520
interesting story how someone gets you

543
00:25:15,659 --> 00:25:12,070
know hooked on this topic and you know

544
00:25:18,299 --> 00:25:15,669
actually goes as far as you have in this

545
00:25:21,450 --> 00:25:18,309
field so what what happened and what

546
00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:21,460
made you interested in this well and

547
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,140
I'll tell you what even before i give

548
00:25:27,539 --> 00:25:25,840
you my origin story i kind of want to

549
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:27,549
talk about my professional career so

550
00:25:33,390 --> 00:25:30,880
that mmm it kind of plays a part if it

551
00:25:38,010 --> 00:25:33,400
hopefully establish some credibility for

552
00:25:40,289 --> 00:25:38,020
me I've always worked in in big

553
00:25:44,190 --> 00:25:40,299
financial institutions for the big banks

554
00:25:47,030 --> 00:25:44,200
I historically done web application

555
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:47,040
development I did a lot of programming

556
00:25:53,610 --> 00:25:50,610
most of my career has been around the

557
00:25:55,890 --> 00:25:53,620
marketing of financial products and I

558
00:26:00,289 --> 00:25:55,900
have recently over the last 10 years

559
00:26:02,820 --> 00:26:00,299
moved into a lot of trend to analytics

560
00:26:06,140 --> 00:26:02,830
doing some statistical work with a

561
00:26:11,970 --> 00:26:06,150
product called SAS sit stands for sis

562
00:26:14,210 --> 00:26:11,980
statistical analysis systems so that was

563
00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:14,220
kind of my mmm

564
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:18,900
impetus to find out more about MUFON

565
00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:22,530
that kind of attracted me to move on so

566
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:24,510
that that's a little bit of bhama my

567
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:27,330
professional background how did I even

568
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:30,690
start at ufology it actually started for

569
00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:34,970
me in 1990 I was still in high school I

570
00:26:39,860 --> 00:26:37,710
had gone to visit a friend of mine and

571
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:39,870
she said Israel I have to tell you

572
00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:44,010
something and went okay she said that

573
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:46,710
she had she and her MA she had grown up

574
00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:50,010
on a farm in Kansas and that when she

575
00:26:54,409 --> 00:26:51,960
was about 10 years old her and her

576
00:26:57,940 --> 00:26:54,419
mother had been walking through a field

577
00:27:03,230 --> 00:26:57,950
and while they were out in the field

578
00:27:07,610 --> 00:27:03,240
they were chased by UFOs and her mother

579
00:27:12,649 --> 00:27:07,620
and was so terrified that she took her

580
00:27:15,020 --> 00:27:12,659
in a car left the farm abandon the

581
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:15,030
husband and left the state huh and they

582
00:27:21,770 --> 00:27:18,690
never went back that can be nyan

583
00:27:24,590 --> 00:27:21,780
sometimes but you know Wow well so I'm

584
00:27:27,260 --> 00:27:24,600
17 at the time and I'm thinking number

585
00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:27,270
one you're crazy and number two you

586
00:27:33,380 --> 00:27:29,940
scared the hell out of me hmm and let me

587
00:27:36,529 --> 00:27:33,390
tell you I never spoke to her again she

588
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:36,539
had scared me that much Wow and I can't

589
00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:42,000
tell you how guilty I feel now it it

590
00:27:47,419 --> 00:27:44,100
took me it's taken me a long time a long

591
00:27:50,450 --> 00:27:47,429
time to uh mmm I guess fight get the

592
00:27:54,529 --> 00:27:50,460
facts about ufology so that happened in

593
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:54,539
90 um then around 98 I had found out

594
00:27:59,180 --> 00:27:56,730
that my uncle who's a dentist and also a

595
00:28:02,000 --> 00:27:59,190
professor of dentistry at one of the

596
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:02,010
largest universities in Mexico him in my

597
00:28:09,049 --> 00:28:06,690
aunt in 91 had a UFO sighting in broad

598
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:09,059
daylight along with hundreds of other

599
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:12,960
people on a mexico highway and they said

600
00:28:18,350 --> 00:28:15,289
they saw this this large orbs or a

601
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:18,360
handful of large orbs in broad daylight

602
00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:21,210
going over the highways i mean in mexico

603
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:23,100
you're you know you're talking I don't

604
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,890
know 20 million people so there was at

605
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:27,360
least hundreds of people that were

606
00:28:31,220 --> 00:28:28,110
seeing these

607
00:28:33,140 --> 00:28:31,230
and it took I mean it took my uncle you

608
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:33,150
know he's a pretty straight-laced gaya

609
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:36,090
in dentist it took about eight years to

610
00:28:42,410 --> 00:28:39,690
let my aunt admit it to anyone so

611
00:28:46,010 --> 00:28:42,420
needless to say between my that high

612
00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:46,020
school event my aunt and uncle who saw

613
00:28:51,289 --> 00:28:48,900
that and even the summer after that girl

614
00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:51,299
had told me her story I found the book

615
00:28:57,500 --> 00:28:55,080
communion oh yeah and I read communion

616
00:29:01,400 --> 00:28:57,510
when I was in high school and I can tell

617
00:29:04,220 --> 00:29:01,410
you it really scared me I I distinctly

618
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:04,230
remember thinking this is not possible I

619
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:09,120
mean this can't be real so anyway um in

620
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:11,700
98 when we had found out that story my

621
00:29:18,409 --> 00:29:14,910
mom also told me a separate story that I

622
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:18,419
had grown up in Houston Texas and my mom

623
00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:22,710
had a friend um it at the time in Corpus

624
00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:28,140
Christi she had come to houston and she

625
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:29,910
was at she had gone and see the movie

626
00:29:36,260 --> 00:29:32,850
Close Encounters of the Third Kind she

627
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:36,270
came over and her and my mom were close

628
00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:38,820
friends and she was bawling and she was

629
00:29:43,820 --> 00:29:41,910
in hysterics and she said what happened

630
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:43,830
what happened and she's like well we

631
00:29:48,409 --> 00:29:46,110
were never gonna say anything but me and

632
00:29:51,470 --> 00:29:48,419
my girlfriend's had been driving between

633
00:29:55,070 --> 00:29:51,480
Houston and Corpus Christi and we've

634
00:29:57,980 --> 00:29:55,080
seen those crafts we saw the crafts from

635
00:30:00,260 --> 00:29:57,990
the movie over the highway and we never

636
00:30:05,060 --> 00:30:00,270
told anybody but I went and saw the

637
00:30:08,659 --> 00:30:05,070
movie and that's what we saw so at that

638
00:30:12,289 --> 00:30:08,669
point I'm in my mid 20s and I mean you

639
00:30:14,180 --> 00:30:12,299
know it kind of really shocked me I at

640
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:14,190
the time I didn't admit to anybody then

641
00:30:18,919 --> 00:30:16,530
I'm into UFOs and aliens I mean I had

642
00:30:21,169 --> 00:30:18,929
been reading about it but it's something

643
00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:21,179
I kind of you know that's something i

644
00:30:27,380 --> 00:30:23,190
did in my spare time I wouldn't admit to

645
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:27,390
it back then mm-hmm so that was kind of

646
00:30:33,650 --> 00:30:31,290
the impetus for all my interest in the

647
00:30:36,850 --> 00:30:33,660
subject now do you have any problem

648
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:36,860
admitting that now and in mixed company

649
00:30:41,910 --> 00:30:40,110
no not anymore as a matter of fact uh

650
00:30:44,550 --> 00:30:41,920
some of my coworker

651
00:30:47,490 --> 00:30:44,560
from the bank are should be listening to

652
00:30:50,220 --> 00:30:47,500
the radio show right now I only feel

653
00:30:52,770 --> 00:30:50,230
comfortable explaining it to my cut my

654
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:52,780
involvement to my co-workers after they

655
00:30:58,170 --> 00:30:55,570
are aware of my technical capabilities

656
00:31:01,500 --> 00:30:58,180
so once they know that I'm very capable

657
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:01,510
the job I can I perform then I'm willing

658
00:31:05,490 --> 00:31:03,310
to share everything I do with you follow

659
00:31:07,980 --> 00:31:05,500
G like a credibility type of thing is

660
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:07,990
that's that I have to Dallas yeah I I

661
00:31:11,390 --> 00:31:09,610
feel like I have to establish my

662
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:11,400
credibility in the professional world

663
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:15,190
before I expose you to uh I guess the

664
00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:19,510
craziness yeah yeah I you know I I'm in

665
00:31:23,910 --> 00:31:21,520
the fine arts antiques auctions and all

666
00:31:25,260 --> 00:31:23,920
that so I'm very careful when it comes

667
00:31:28,530 --> 00:31:25,270
to that I don't talk about it much

668
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:28,540
however you know I did have another a

669
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:30,850
fellow auctioneer call me one night and

670
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:33,130
say he enjoys listening to my show I

671
00:31:38,340 --> 00:31:36,130
actually had them on the show but and

672
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:38,350
there's also a couple of people that are

673
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,650
on TV and the antiques world that also

674
00:31:45,030 --> 00:31:43,600
have had sightings and have listened to

675
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:45,040
the show in the past which i think is

676
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:46,960
pretty interesting but I understand

677
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:49,510
exactly what you're saying and luckily

678
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:51,850
this involved in a start-up right now

679
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:55,840
and everyone there knows that I'm into

680
00:32:00,150 --> 00:31:57,730
it and you know occasionally some of

681
00:32:02,010 --> 00:32:00,160
them listen so it's good that you can

682
00:32:04,290 --> 00:32:02,020
you know it's kind of like coming out of

683
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:04,300
the closet about UFOs is kind of what it

684
00:32:13,650 --> 00:32:10,570
is right and for me I have I feel like

685
00:32:17,630 --> 00:32:13,660
I've found my purpose and it really is

686
00:32:20,850 --> 00:32:17,640
to provide people an avenue a way to

687
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:20,860
talk about this and to learn about this

688
00:32:27,860 --> 00:32:24,130
this field like you and Alejandro we're

689
00:32:30,860 --> 00:32:27,870
just talking about the case is that we

690
00:32:33,420 --> 00:32:30,870
receive are only the tip of the iceberg

691
00:32:35,910 --> 00:32:33,430
point in case one of my starting

692
00:32:39,390 --> 00:32:35,920
questions at every meeting that we go to

693
00:32:44,010 --> 00:32:39,400
I say first of all who here has had a

694
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:44,020
UFO sighting and almost every meeting I

695
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,110
would say three for three fours to

696
00:32:52,020 --> 00:32:49,120
ninety percent of the room will raise

697
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:52,030
her hand but then when I say okay out of

698
00:32:55,890 --> 00:32:54,130
these people have had these sightings

699
00:32:59,160 --> 00:32:55,900
who's actually reported

700
00:33:02,760 --> 00:32:59,170
maybe one or two hands go up yes most

701
00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:02,770
people do not report their cases and see

702
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:04,780
now I just went online and checked how

703
00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:06,730
many cases I have logged in move on and

704
00:33:16,290 --> 00:33:11,500
I have officially investigated 57 cases

705
00:33:19,890 --> 00:33:16,300
i can tell you because of our local

706
00:33:24,290 --> 00:33:19,900
meetings that we've heard of twelve to

707
00:33:26,820 --> 00:33:24,300
fifteen hundred additional sightings

708
00:33:29,730 --> 00:33:26,830
that are not in the mood fun database

709
00:33:31,890 --> 00:33:29,740
and we're always asking people please go

710
00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:31,900
to the main fan site log your your

711
00:33:35,550 --> 00:33:33,820
sightings because that information is

712
00:33:37,980 --> 00:33:35,560
very valuable I mean I've a damn i

713
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:37,990
living around data i I know the

714
00:33:43,890 --> 00:33:40,330
importance of data and doing trend

715
00:33:45,810 --> 00:33:43,900
analytics I want to see every every

716
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:45,820
report of these UFO sightings I mean

717
00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:48,310
that's really valuable information we're

718
00:33:52,910 --> 00:33:50,230
kind of missing the boat when these

719
00:33:55,980 --> 00:33:52,920
people are not going to the website and

720
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:55,990
logging their sightings you know I I

721
00:34:00,780 --> 00:33:57,760
have you know i was just going to get

722
00:34:03,630 --> 00:34:00,790
into how can it be possible to make it

723
00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:03,640
any easier for someone but you know i

724
00:34:08,850 --> 00:34:06,700
never reported my sighting I only when I

725
00:34:11,730 --> 00:34:08,860
started the show you know I realized

726
00:34:15,149 --> 00:34:11,740
that you know there are places to report

727
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:15,159
but before that I had no idea but I have

728
00:34:19,950 --> 00:34:17,110
heard now I don't you can correct me if

729
00:34:22,020 --> 00:34:19,960
I'm wrong but that you can report a

730
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:22,030
sighting that happened even years ago is

731
00:34:30,450 --> 00:34:26,890
that is that timely ya know like 100 was

732
00:34:33,930 --> 00:34:30,460
saying the reports that were currently

733
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:33,940
getting our historical cases the 1i

734
00:34:39,930 --> 00:34:36,010
currently got assigned over the last two

735
00:34:45,149 --> 00:34:39,940
couple days was of a man and his wife

736
00:34:46,290 --> 00:34:45,159
who saw a UFO very very close to me they

737
00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:46,300
they were less than a hundred feet from

738
00:34:55,380 --> 00:34:50,820
them it looked like it it it landed and

739
00:34:58,830 --> 00:34:55,390
it happened in the early 90s I think

740
00:35:00,990 --> 00:34:58,840
that this show hangar 1 has I don't want

741
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:01,000
to say in bold in them but I think

742
00:35:06,210 --> 00:35:02,710
people are starting to feel more

743
00:35:08,770 --> 00:35:06,220
comfortable sharing their stories your

744
00:35:11,290 --> 00:35:08,780
experiences as they see

745
00:35:15,250 --> 00:35:11,300
the subject to UFOs on you know in our

746
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:15,260
in the media in news reports in these TV

747
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:19,490
shows it is extremely popular and I mean

748
00:35:23,830 --> 00:35:21,290
it's in all aspects of our life I can't

749
00:35:27,790 --> 00:35:23,840
tell you how many times will see aliens

750
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:27,800
in commercials or kids toys or Mars

751
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:30,050
Needs Moms I mean it's everywhere and I

752
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:32,650
think that as time progresses more

753
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:35,770
people are feeling more comfortable

754
00:35:44,650 --> 00:35:39,910
talking about it I I have spoken to

755
00:35:47,170 --> 00:35:44,660
pilots um that have UFO sightings and

756
00:35:48,850 --> 00:35:47,180
they say look we don't talk about it but

757
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:48,860
when me and my buddies are drinking or

758
00:35:55,210 --> 00:35:51,850
you know when pilots are among friends

759
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:55,220
they'll share their stories um even

760
00:36:01,420 --> 00:35:58,880
within volunteer organizations I hear

761
00:36:07,050 --> 00:36:01,430
from one of the most interesting stories

762
00:36:09,220 --> 00:36:07,060
I heard was from a private jet pilot

763
00:36:11,950 --> 00:36:09,230
private jets fly apparently at a much

764
00:36:14,850 --> 00:36:11,960
higher altitude and he'll he says he's

765
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:14,860
out there and he is let's see if

766
00:36:20,980 --> 00:36:17,450
commercial jets fly at 35,000 feet

767
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:20,990
private jets fly at 45,000 feet and he

768
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:23,810
often will see the lights above above

769
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:27,110
them and he says that you know generally

770
00:36:30,430 --> 00:36:28,850
there shouldn't be anyone above them

771
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:30,440
other than military crafts and it

772
00:36:33,940 --> 00:36:31,970
doesn't look like their military crafts

773
00:36:37,210 --> 00:36:33,950
because they have your regular they're

774
00:36:40,780 --> 00:36:37,220
moving in irregular patterns so I mean

775
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,790
they see them all the time Wow well we

776
00:36:45,070 --> 00:36:42,560
have a question up on the message board

777
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:45,080
and that is who is your favorite

778
00:36:54,910 --> 00:36:49,610
researcher and why Wow my favorite

779
00:37:00,520 --> 00:36:54,920
researcher oh that is yourself no no no

780
00:37:02,740 --> 00:37:00,530
you know it's funny because I I I feel I

781
00:37:08,650 --> 00:37:02,750
kind of feel bad because I don't have

782
00:37:10,810 --> 00:37:08,660
the time to dedicate to this I don't

783
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:10,820
have enough time to dedicate to the

784
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:13,130
subject this is so important honestly I

785
00:37:18,250 --> 00:37:15,110
would to have to say John Ventura of

786
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:18,260
jump into her mm-hmm yes I think that'll

787
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:22,810
vania Pennsylvania yes just because

788
00:37:30,910 --> 00:37:27,710
he has brought move on to the general

789
00:37:36,130 --> 00:37:30,920
public he has just exposed more people

790
00:37:37,630 --> 00:37:36,140
to the subject and made move on mm not

791
00:37:39,340 --> 00:37:37,640
necessarily a household name because

792
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:39,350
most people don't really know about my

793
00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:42,890
phone yet but he is starting to he got

794
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:44,780
the ball rolling in that that's why he's

795
00:37:53,170 --> 00:37:48,650
my one of my preferred investigators

796
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:53,180
it's going to take more people reaching

797
00:38:02,230 --> 00:37:58,850
out to those outside of our field right

798
00:38:04,660 --> 00:38:02,240
right I think I said that question wrong

799
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:04,670
I'm going to the person corrected me but

800
00:38:09,370 --> 00:38:07,730
before I go back to that can you walk us

801
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:09,380
this another question up there can you

802
00:38:14,350 --> 00:38:12,650
walk us through a typical investigation

803
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:14,360
from the initial report to the end

804
00:38:24,850 --> 00:38:21,440
finding sure well so typically a report

805
00:38:27,250 --> 00:38:24,860
comes in to move on our state director

806
00:38:30,910 --> 00:38:27,260
receives all the reports and she assigns

807
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:30,920
it to now one of our 15 or 16 case

808
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:35,930
investigators so I typically tried to

809
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:39,170
reach out to the witness within the

810
00:38:44,650 --> 00:38:43,040
first 72 hours i'll i frequently just

811
00:38:46,930 --> 00:38:44,660
try to send him an email at the same day

812
00:38:52,810 --> 00:38:46,940
and try to call them within the next two

813
00:38:54,610 --> 00:38:52,820
days and then from there I talked talked

814
00:38:59,170 --> 00:38:54,620
to him and try to get as many details as

815
00:39:01,240 --> 00:38:59,180
possible we have a really long form that

816
00:39:04,420 --> 00:39:01,250
I try to fill out which includes

817
00:39:07,780 --> 00:39:04,430
obviously the date-time weather

818
00:39:10,540 --> 00:39:07,790
conditions how close or how far you they

819
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:10,550
were from the object how many witnesses

820
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:13,730
how many additional people can cooperate

821
00:39:20,740 --> 00:39:16,640
the sighting to me that that is the most

822
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:20,750
important thing because you do have a

823
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:22,160
lot of people that will go out and say

824
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:24,650
oh yeah I saw this light and far in the

825
00:39:30,070 --> 00:39:28,490
sky that was moving erratically but

826
00:39:31,780 --> 00:39:30,080
nobody else saw it I'm like and that

827
00:39:33,580 --> 00:39:31,790
Sara Lee help me it could have been a

828
00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:33,590
star they could have mixed it confused

829
00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:36,100
it I mean so stars look like they

830
00:39:40,980 --> 00:39:37,990
go and you might think it's actually

831
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:40,990
moving when it's not but when you have

832
00:39:47,310 --> 00:39:45,370
people that file cases with multiple

833
00:39:50,070 --> 00:39:47,320
witnesses that's when it gets

834
00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:50,080
interesting so frequently if there is

835
00:39:54,570 --> 00:39:52,630
more witnesses I'm talking to witness

836
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:54,580
number one and two and three and four or

837
00:40:02,850 --> 00:39:56,410
five I want to make sure that I talk to

838
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:02,860
everybody and if it's something more

839
00:40:09,450 --> 00:40:06,730
spectacular I will sometimes try to call

840
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:09,460
the local police department and say hey

841
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:12,130
did you get any UFO sighting when I you

842
00:40:15,060 --> 00:40:13,810
know I don't I try not to start out with

843
00:40:17,610 --> 00:40:15,070
UFO sightings I'll try to say something

844
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:17,620
like did you get any strange reports of

845
00:40:23,310 --> 00:40:20,410
lightness guy or a plane burning or

846
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:23,320
anything strange on such-and-such a date

847
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:26,050
and needless to say you they'll say oh

848
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,730
you mean like UFOs I'm like yes your

849
00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:29,760
folks and they'll laugh and like no no

850
00:40:36,030 --> 00:40:33,540
so if that doesn't work too often but

851
00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:36,040
the more details i get from the witness

852
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:38,680
is if i can cooperate it somehow i look

853
00:40:44,190 --> 00:40:41,680
up the wet I go to weather underground

854
00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:44,200
to check out what the the weather was

855
00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:45,910
like what the wind direction was like in

856
00:40:50,580 --> 00:40:48,190
catalog right right that all down into

857
00:40:55,140 --> 00:40:50,590
the case you know in our case management

858
00:41:01,320 --> 00:40:55,150
system but then there are some cases

859
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:01,330
where we have experiencers and then

860
00:41:10,170 --> 00:41:06,250
that's a whole nother ball of wax you

861
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:10,180
know obviously abductions is a big part

862
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:14,110
of the ufology field in it's obviously

863
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:19,570
controversial I have to step back for a

864
00:41:24,930 --> 00:41:21,610
second and I got to tell you when I

865
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:24,940
became a member or an investigator in

866
00:41:29,970 --> 00:41:28,000
2011 I got into ufology because I'm

867
00:41:32,070 --> 00:41:29,980
thinking you know there's gotta be a

868
00:41:34,650 --> 00:41:32,080
logical explanation there's no way that

869
00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:34,660
this is really happening that I had read

870
00:41:41,460 --> 00:41:38,070
that there were tens of thousands of

871
00:41:45,690 --> 00:41:41,470
people having UFO sightings annually I'm

872
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:45,700
like that's just a huge number and I'd

873
00:41:50,099 --> 00:41:48,130
also had read plenty of reading with it

874
00:41:53,940 --> 00:41:50,109
there was hundreds of people claiming a

875
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:53,950
ductions like no there's no way before I

876
00:41:59,519 --> 00:41:56,410
became investigator I said I want to

877
00:42:03,920 --> 00:41:59,529
meet at least five people who've had UFO

878
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:03,930
sightings and at least one abductee

879
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:06,880
you've heard the expression before be

880
00:42:13,019 --> 00:42:09,130
careful what you ask for I'm just might

881
00:42:16,410 --> 00:42:13,029
get it needless to say now yeah I've

882
00:42:19,979 --> 00:42:16,420
easily heard fit 1200 to 1500 UFO

883
00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:19,989
sightings and at this point I've got to

884
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:22,619
be somewhere between 60 and a hundred

885
00:42:32,339 --> 00:42:29,170
abductee heard from 60 to 100 abductee

886
00:42:36,029 --> 00:42:32,349
cases well well you know you mentioned

887
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:36,039
earlier up about you know you feel like

888
00:42:42,210 --> 00:42:38,650
sometimes you can't give it a time and I

889
00:42:44,729 --> 00:42:42,220
really enjoy doing the show and I it it

890
00:42:47,729 --> 00:42:44,739
does take you know there's a lot of work

891
00:42:49,859 --> 00:42:47,739
involved in it but I love I absolutely

892
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:49,869
loved doing the show but a lot of times

893
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:51,609
I get you know like for instance this

894
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:53,410
Paul if you happen to be listening has

895
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:54,970
been trying to reach me to tell me about

896
00:43:01,710 --> 00:42:57,970
his UFO sighting and sometimes it's it's

897
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:01,720
really difficult to take the time to

898
00:43:08,099 --> 00:43:05,410
listen to a story like Peter Davenport

899
00:43:09,509 --> 00:43:08,109
said the other last week that you know

900
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:09,519
he only wants to hear a couple minutes

901
00:43:14,729 --> 00:43:10,720
and then he wants them to fill out a

902
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:14,739
report so I know I'm getting a little

903
00:43:21,479 --> 00:43:17,170
off-topic here but when someone contacts

904
00:43:24,620 --> 00:43:21,489
me I would probably be better off trying

905
00:43:28,589 --> 00:43:24,630
to steer them into making a report

906
00:43:30,779 --> 00:43:28,599
wouldn't you say I'm sorry I've actually

907
00:43:33,299 --> 00:43:30,789
reading some of these comments we take

908
00:43:35,549 --> 00:43:33,309
your question okay be nice to Israel

909
00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:35,559
he's reading no no no chat room uh you

910
00:43:42,809 --> 00:43:39,460
know why here's what I tell my my friend

911
00:43:44,729 --> 00:43:42,819
my buddies in the financial world you're

912
00:43:46,109 --> 00:43:44,739
not going to believe this until you've

913
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:46,119
seen them with your own eyes I've

914
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:50,049
actually had two sightings now it was it

915
00:43:55,019 --> 00:43:52,210
was so difficult for me to believe it

916
00:43:58,259 --> 00:43:55,029
this was even real that's why I got into

917
00:44:03,600 --> 00:43:58,269
move on I wanted to know that this was

918
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:03,610
real and when I came on and I Stephen

919
00:44:07,650 --> 00:44:05,770
why was giving me these cases and I'm

920
00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:07,660
starting to hear he had told me about

921
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:10,030
his personal sightings and then I'm

922
00:44:15,930 --> 00:44:12,010
getting all these cases of people having

923
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:15,940
closed UFO sightings it really upset me

924
00:44:21,780 --> 00:44:18,370
it scared me and one night I remember

925
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:21,790
calling steve i said steve is this real

926
00:44:26,330 --> 00:44:24,010
mean this is really happening because

927
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:26,340
we're getting so many cases i'm like i

928
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:29,680
thought there was you know people were

929
00:44:33,450 --> 00:44:31,090
just confused but what they're seeing

930
00:44:35,450 --> 00:44:33,460
but this is really happening someone had

931
00:44:38,220 --> 00:44:35,460
asked have I actually investigated cases

932
00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:38,230
yes I've actually investigated I'm sorry

933
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:43,030
I have documented 1557 cases in MUFON i

934
00:44:50,970 --> 00:44:48,640
have heard 1200 to 1500 cases of which

935
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:50,980
i'm asking our attendees at these

936
00:44:59,220 --> 00:44:53,050
meetings go and log your case a move on

937
00:45:03,570 --> 00:44:59,230
do they know do any of them wha very few

938
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:03,580
so so so let's say yeah so here last

939
00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:06,490
month in June we got 30 and the next

940
00:45:11,130 --> 00:45:08,280
meeting will do it on August twelfth I

941
00:45:13,770 --> 00:45:11,140
assure you there'll be another 60 people

942
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:13,780
there and another 40 people will say

943
00:45:20,250 --> 00:45:16,330
they had a UFO sighting and maybe one

944
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:20,260
has actually reported so so again there

945
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:22,510
are so many people having UFO sightings

946
00:45:26,460 --> 00:45:24,850
they're not reporting it number 1 i'm

947
00:45:28,650 --> 00:45:26,470
thinking more because they don't want to

948
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:28,660
the ridicule factor they don't want to

949
00:45:36,570 --> 00:45:31,650
be bothered they don't want to be judged

950
00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:36,580
right mm-hmm I totally get that I

951
00:45:41,490 --> 00:45:39,790
totally get that so you can actually see

952
00:45:43,290 --> 00:45:41,500
that you're actually on the message

953
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:43,300
board so you can see the questions if

954
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:44,800
you'd like to answer them directly

955
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:46,690
that's fine or i can i can throw them at

956
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:49,570
you um well i can't talk and read it

957
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:52,330
Said's I said okay I a question up there

958
00:45:58,340 --> 00:45:54,610
some of the abduction cases are you

959
00:46:04,140 --> 00:45:58,350
convinced that they are truly abductees

960
00:46:05,820 --> 00:46:04,150
yes let me tell you why so now that I've

961
00:46:11,340 --> 00:46:05,830
been doing this for over four years um

962
00:46:13,530 --> 00:46:11,350
in cooperation is a very very important

963
00:46:16,450 --> 00:46:13,540
piece of I think the case is that we

964
00:46:24,050 --> 00:46:19,730
obviously some of these cases are really

965
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:24,060
far out there the most credible cases

966
00:46:34,430 --> 00:46:29,280
that I find our when many many people in

967
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:34,440
a family are affected I'll go ahead

968
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:37,050
share a little bit of one family that

969
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:38,720
lives in the North Carolina mountains

970
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:41,490
the father had contacted me about two

971
00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:44,609
years ago and he was desperate and

972
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:49,500
scared for his teenage daughter she had

973
00:46:55,370 --> 00:46:52,890
been at a friend's house and being

974
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:55,380
teenage girls they stayed up all night

975
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:56,880
and she fell asleep around five o'clock

976
00:47:02,599 --> 00:46:58,560
good morning got up at eight o'clock

977
00:47:07,069 --> 00:47:02,609
came home and then she discovered as

978
00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:07,079
she's undressing she is covered in

979
00:47:13,849 --> 00:47:11,099
bruises I mean bruises on her wrists on

980
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:13,859
her back on her torso on her legs

981
00:47:22,490 --> 00:47:17,609
everywhere and she was scared she was

982
00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:22,500
terrified and she told her her dad dad I

983
00:47:27,140 --> 00:47:23,910
have no idea where this came from I

984
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:27,150
don't know where this came from and the

985
00:47:34,579 --> 00:47:30,569
dad had already known about past

986
00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:34,589
situations um the little girl when she

987
00:47:39,710 --> 00:47:36,030
was at this but at that point I think

988
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:39,720
she was 16 or 17 she had grown up always

989
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,760
talking about the lights outside of her

990
00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:43,440
window she was really scared to sleep in

991
00:47:50,089 --> 00:47:45,089
a room alone because she always saw the

992
00:47:53,140 --> 00:47:50,099
lights outside her window so he came

993
00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:53,150
with me with that starter case or that

994
00:47:58,910 --> 00:47:56,579
instance and as I talked to him more I

995
00:48:00,410 --> 00:47:58,920
found out that he had had multiple

996
00:48:05,290 --> 00:48:00,420
sightings as a teenager when he was

997
00:48:10,059 --> 00:48:05,300
growing up and this is a teacher of

998
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:10,069
physics at a high school and he

999
00:48:15,020 --> 00:48:12,450
remembers one situation when he was a

1000
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,030
teenager that he saw UFO he had been

1001
00:48:18,859 --> 00:48:17,520
riding home on his bike and he saw you a

1002
00:48:21,470 --> 00:48:18,869
phone he watched it for a few minutes

1003
00:48:23,660 --> 00:48:21,480
and then he went on home when he got

1004
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:23,670
home his parents were furious at him and

1005
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:25,770
they're like why are you mad at me since

1006
00:48:30,350 --> 00:48:26,970
you've been gone for like three or four

1007
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:30,360
hours he didn't realize that he had

1008
00:48:41,060 --> 00:48:36,540
missing time so as I stayed in touch

1009
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:41,070
with him uh he later shared with me his

1010
00:48:46,130 --> 00:48:44,370
neighbor the hoodlum and maybe a couple

1011
00:48:49,220 --> 00:48:46,140
hundred yards away is a good old country

1012
00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:49,230
man he had set up a game camera to take

1013
00:48:56,030 --> 00:48:52,440
pictures of gear in his field well this

1014
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:56,040
very country man had went and got his

1015
00:49:01,280 --> 00:48:58,050
game camera out and at the time this was

1016
00:49:05,380 --> 00:49:01,290
still I think it was still film he

1017
00:49:11,390 --> 00:49:05,390
developed the film any on the family has

1018
00:49:14,210 --> 00:49:11,400
what looked like a dark shadow of a

1019
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:14,220
being a being floating over the field

1020
00:49:21,230 --> 00:49:18,240
and he had given it to my witness and he

1021
00:49:23,060 --> 00:49:21,240
said look I don't know what it is but I

1022
00:49:26,090 --> 00:49:23,070
wanted you to have this because I know

1023
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:26,100
that strange things have happened Jay's

1024
00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:29,970
household and so he's passed me the

1025
00:49:33,500 --> 00:49:31,260
photo I've scanned and I sent him back

1026
00:49:38,180 --> 00:49:33,510
the original that wasn't just another

1027
00:49:42,590 --> 00:49:38,190
thing to add to his his the pot is the

1028
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:42,600
growing body of evidence I asked him to

1029
00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:45,570
find out from his family members if

1030
00:49:49,610 --> 00:49:47,160
anyone else and his family had had

1031
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:49,620
sightings sure enough his brother has

1032
00:49:56,020 --> 00:49:52,650
also had sightings and one of the

1033
00:50:02,440 --> 00:49:56,030
scariest things is just last Christmas

1034
00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:02,450
he had his brother his sister-in-law

1035
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:06,180
couple teenage girls and other family

1036
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,050
people in the house and they had all

1037
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:12,000
gone to bed it was around Christmas time

1038
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:15,530
and around three o'clock in the morning

1039
00:50:22,820 --> 00:50:18,720
they all heard what sounded like a car

1040
00:50:26,930 --> 00:50:22,830
hitting the side of the house on the

1041
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:26,940
second story and he says that his

1042
00:50:31,970 --> 00:50:30,180
brother was so scared a woke the brother

1043
00:50:33,740 --> 00:50:31,980
up it walked the wife up and the

1044
00:50:36,980 --> 00:50:33,750
sister-in-law up everyone woke up and

1045
00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:36,990
they were so scared but they're like

1046
00:50:42,370 --> 00:50:39,780
okay let's go back to sleep it scared

1047
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:42,380
them but for some strange reason

1048
00:50:46,370 --> 00:50:44,040
everyone went

1049
00:50:49,070 --> 00:50:46,380
sleep well you know I have to interrupt

1050
00:50:50,750 --> 00:50:49,080
you just for one moment because up I was

1051
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:50,760
listening to an interview with Jack

1052
00:50:56,900 --> 00:50:54,410
weiner from the allagash incident and

1053
00:50:59,840 --> 00:50:56,910
something I had never heard of in that

1054
00:51:02,090 --> 00:50:59,850
particular incident when they all went

1055
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:02,100
you know thought that that didn't

1056
00:51:05,870 --> 00:51:03,510
realize they actually had missing time

1057
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:05,880
they all went back they had just seen

1058
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:08,720
the UFO and they all went right to sleep

1059
00:51:13,850 --> 00:51:11,610
yeah well and see in this is only one

1060
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:13,860
example I had plant there's plenty of

1061
00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:25,750
from what I've heard understood I

1062
00:51:32,540 --> 00:51:29,200
understand that these things these

1063
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:32,550
abduction experiences don't happen to a

1064
00:51:40,850 --> 00:51:35,850
single person it happens to your family

1065
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:40,860
lineage the families that I've dealt

1066
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:45,480
with frequently have the parents the

1067
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:48,210
grandparents of had sightings and the

1068
00:51:55,450 --> 00:51:52,800
children will have sightings so when I

1069
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:55,460
talked to many people in a family and

1070
00:52:03,100 --> 00:51:59,280
they all had UFO sightings or missing

1071
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:03,110
time or they wake up with bruises or

1072
00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:06,570
when one lady woke up and she's got what

1073
00:52:11,180 --> 00:52:08,760
she thinks were laser burns at the base

1074
00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:11,190
of her spine and she'll send me pictures

1075
00:52:17,450 --> 00:52:14,150
and sure enough it looks like a little a

1076
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:17,460
perfectly circular burn mark on the base

1077
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:20,310
of her spine those are the most

1078
00:52:28,070 --> 00:52:23,130
compelling cases to me right now as a

1079
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:28,080
MUFON person is our abductions

1080
00:52:34,940 --> 00:52:31,410
considered on any type of fringe is it

1081
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:34,950
uh is it okay to talk about these type

1082
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:37,770
of things among other MUFON

1083
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,690
investigators I've heard a little bit

1084
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:41,760
about that in the past that's why the

1085
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:46,890
question um I think many people are

1086
00:52:52,340 --> 00:52:49,410
still intimidated or scared of talking

1087
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:52,350
about it because it is it's it's a lot

1088
00:52:57,530 --> 00:52:54,570
to take in the implications if this is

1089
00:53:04,250 --> 00:52:57,540
real the implication

1090
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:04,260
are far-reaching um because I've had so

1091
00:53:10,090 --> 00:53:06,930
many people come up and tell me about

1092
00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:10,100
them or even when we're at our meetings

1093
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:12,630
people will come over and asked me to

1094
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:14,610
step aside and they will break down and

1095
00:53:19,460 --> 00:53:18,000
cry and tell me that they've had

1096
00:53:22,580 --> 00:53:19,470
abduction since there were small

1097
00:53:24,010 --> 00:53:22,590
children and they've had nobody to tell

1098
00:53:26,740 --> 00:53:24,020
because no one's going to believe him

1099
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:26,750
well they can come to our meetings and

1100
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:29,570
I'm just not going to I'm not going to

1101
00:53:38,060 --> 00:53:33,930
judge people because these people have

1102
00:53:42,650 --> 00:53:38,070
these amazing stories and there's so

1103
00:53:47,450 --> 00:53:42,660
many shared traits among the cases I'm

1104
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:47,460
hearing another example was from a

1105
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:51,210
gentleman who was a foreman or a manager

1106
00:53:55,970 --> 00:53:53,490
at a manufacturing plant on the east

1107
00:53:58,250 --> 00:53:55,980
coast north carolina so he works at a

1108
00:54:00,800 --> 00:53:58,260
large chemical plant and he's also lon

1109
00:54:04,370 --> 00:54:00,810
to your fire depart volunteer fireman

1110
00:54:07,610 --> 00:54:04,380
and he was telling me that he had gone

1111
00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:07,620
camping one day and it was late at night

1112
00:54:12,980 --> 00:54:11,400
he had his dog with him and he looked at

1113
00:54:14,180 --> 00:54:12,990
his clock it was ten o'clock at night

1114
00:54:17,210 --> 00:54:14,190
and he was going to stay out to a

1115
00:54:20,810 --> 00:54:17,220
midnight as soon as he got other car he

1116
00:54:24,620 --> 00:54:20,820
saw a UFO and within a couple seconds

1117
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:24,630
this UFO is shining what he described

1118
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:29,040
like a spotlight but he said it looked

1119
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:34,530
more like a material had come down it

1120
00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:36,240
was more than a spotlight it had some

1121
00:54:43,550 --> 00:54:39,420
texture to it the spot I had pointed

1122
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:43,560
into the trees and he said it had skiff

1123
00:54:49,130 --> 00:54:46,530
ative so much he he watched her for a

1124
00:54:51,290 --> 00:54:49,140
second and then it took off he ran back

1125
00:54:52,670 --> 00:54:51,300
in the truck got his dog and got him in

1126
00:54:54,370 --> 00:54:52,680
the truck and he's getting ready to

1127
00:55:02,660 --> 00:54:54,380
leave and he's looking at the clock and

1128
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:02,670
it's after 1am and it scared him it

1129
00:55:09,020 --> 00:55:05,730
scared him and who's he gonna tell he

1130
00:55:11,370 --> 00:55:09,030
can't tell anybody but he had seen he

1131
00:55:13,410 --> 00:55:11,380
had seen the website and he

1132
00:55:19,499 --> 00:55:13,420
me up and he and he told me the story

1133
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:19,509
and this is a mmm it isn't he's just a

1134
00:55:25,170 --> 00:55:22,000
good old country boy a man who works as

1135
00:55:27,359 --> 00:55:25,180
a a form interim or a manager at this

1136
00:55:29,819 --> 00:55:27,369
manufacturing plant and he goes hunting

1137
00:55:31,620 --> 00:55:29,829
I mean there's no reason he wants to

1138
00:55:34,890 --> 00:55:31,630
make something like this up I mean he

1139
00:55:36,299 --> 00:55:34,900
didn't want me to enter it into he

1140
00:55:40,170 --> 00:55:36,309
didn't really want it locked anywhere

1141
00:55:43,529 --> 00:55:40,180
but he shared this story with me and I

1142
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:43,539
mean I get a lot of a lot of cases like

1143
00:55:47,819 --> 00:55:45,490
that people will call me up or people

1144
00:55:50,009 --> 00:55:47,829
will take us aside at the meetings and

1145
00:55:53,220 --> 00:55:50,019
share these incredible stories with us

1146
00:55:56,249 --> 00:55:53,230
oh there's a question up on the message

1147
00:55:58,529 --> 00:55:56,259
board and does move on ask what blood

1148
00:56:00,509 --> 00:55:58,539
type people that are claiming their

1149
00:56:04,410 --> 00:56:00,519
abductors I mean just actually move on

1150
00:56:05,999 --> 00:56:04,420
do reports of a bit of abductees yes

1151
00:56:07,980 --> 00:56:06,009
yeah we do but you know what actually

1152
00:56:11,460 --> 00:56:07,990
that's a very good question I need to

1153
00:56:14,670 --> 00:56:11,470
start tracking the blood types of these

1154
00:56:19,819 --> 00:56:14,680
people but I don't necessarily think it

1155
00:56:23,819 --> 00:56:19,829
is something like blood type it just I

1156
00:56:26,430 --> 00:56:23,829
see this is just my opinion but it just

1157
00:56:30,569 --> 00:56:26,440
seems that there are certain family

1158
00:56:33,390 --> 00:56:30,579
lines that were picked from what I've

1159
00:56:34,890 --> 00:56:33,400
heard from these cases it seems like

1160
00:56:37,529 --> 00:56:34,900
they they at least started it at the

1161
00:56:40,620 --> 00:56:37,539
early in the 19th century even late 18th

1162
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,630
century and they follow these family

1163
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:42,640
lines I don't know that there was

1164
00:56:48,660 --> 00:56:45,450
anything special if somewhere along the

1165
00:56:50,609 --> 00:56:48,670
somewhere I mean I don't know a hundred

1166
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,619
years ago this family land was picked

1167
00:56:55,259 --> 00:56:52,720
and they can't continue following them

1168
00:56:57,809 --> 00:56:55,269
now I've never really heard of early

1169
00:57:02,120 --> 00:56:57,819
cases are you aware of early cases or

1170
00:57:08,490 --> 00:57:02,130
can someone actually research this so

1171
00:57:11,519 --> 00:57:08,500
see what I tell you is only is coming

1172
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:11,529
from the cases that I have investigated

1173
00:57:18,210 --> 00:57:13,930
from the stories that my witnesses have

1174
00:57:22,430 --> 00:57:18,220
shared with me there this the oldest

1175
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:22,440
case I've heard of was from a retired

1176
00:57:27,260 --> 00:57:24,960
military woman

1177
00:57:28,820 --> 00:57:27,270
she would let me let me make sure I

1178
00:57:34,310 --> 00:57:28,830
remember the she worth and something

1179
00:57:37,339 --> 00:57:34,320
like air force routing of planes so she

1180
00:57:40,579 --> 00:57:37,349
had top-secret clearance in the military

1181
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:40,589
uh so she had retired from the military

1182
00:57:48,380 --> 00:57:43,920
and she had had UFO sightings all her

1183
00:57:49,730 --> 00:57:48,390
life and as I got to know her and she

1184
00:57:53,900 --> 00:57:49,740
felt more comfortable with me she would

1185
00:57:58,520 --> 00:57:53,910
tell me more stories sweet she told me

1186
00:58:01,880 --> 00:57:58,530
that when her grandmother was a child so

1187
00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:01,890
maybe in the 1920s or 1918 I think she

1188
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:05,849
said her grandmother uh they had just

1189
00:58:14,690 --> 00:58:10,609
started hearing about airplanes and she

1190
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:14,700
thought they were airships she the

1191
00:58:22,579 --> 00:58:19,010
grandmother remembers seeing a a

1192
00:58:26,050 --> 00:58:22,589
tube-like craft in the sky when she was

1193
00:58:28,460 --> 00:58:26,060
a very young child maybe 10 or 12 and

1194
00:58:30,050 --> 00:58:28,470
yes there was zeppelins at the time I

1195
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,060
but I'm pretty sure she was from

1196
00:58:36,260 --> 00:58:32,880
Kentucky I'm not sure that there was a

1197
00:58:41,810 --> 00:58:36,270
plane flying around in Kentucky in you

1198
00:58:44,810 --> 00:58:41,820
know 1918 so her family had seen him

1199
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:44,820
across multiple generations so you have

1200
00:58:49,310 --> 00:58:46,650
a grandmother having UFO sightings the

1201
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:49,320
the the dot the mother who was at that

1202
00:58:56,900 --> 00:58:54,290
point she's in her 60s and her daughter

1203
00:58:59,359 --> 00:58:56,910
had originally thought that her mother

1204
00:59:02,120 --> 00:58:59,369
was crazy until she started to having

1205
00:59:04,250 --> 00:59:02,130
sightings and sure enough I'd call the

1206
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:04,260
daughter and at first she she was

1207
00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:07,410
totally dismissive of this and a couple

1208
00:59:12,740 --> 00:59:09,510
weeks later she actually had her what

1209
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,750
she thought was her first sighting she

1210
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:14,400
called me back after she saw one of the

1211
00:59:20,510 --> 00:59:17,609
orange orbs and I kept in touch with his

1212
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:20,520
family for a couple of years and it

1213
00:59:26,510 --> 00:59:23,130
later turned out that the Sun a teenage

1214
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:26,520
boy of like 17 and also had UFO

1215
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:29,760
sightings along with his girlfriend so

1216
00:59:36,730 --> 00:59:33,810
that I what would I tell I'm telling you

1217
00:59:38,099 --> 00:59:36,740
about are all because of my witnesses

1218
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:38,109
testimonies

1219
00:59:46,259 --> 00:59:42,130
right right well um Matt brought up

1220
00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:46,269
earlier about the Rh negative and that

1221
00:59:51,479 --> 00:59:49,150
does seem to be a commonality with a

1222
00:59:53,009 --> 00:59:51,489
number of people that have been guests

1223
00:59:55,769 --> 00:59:53,019
on this show that that questions been

1224
00:59:57,059 --> 00:59:55,779
posed to so that would be interesting if

1225
01:00:01,220 --> 00:59:57,069
there was some how some type of

1226
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:01,230
connection with that speaking of that

1227
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:04,690
have you looked at the commonalities

1228
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:11,170
that these people talk about yes so let

1229
01:00:15,809 --> 01:00:12,400
me let me share with you some of the

1230
01:00:17,690 --> 01:00:15,819
most common traits it that I hear I mean

1231
01:00:21,359 --> 01:00:17,700
obviously a lot of them will describe

1232
01:00:25,229 --> 01:00:21,369
this short grace um and it's really

1233
01:00:27,479 --> 01:00:25,239
funny because I'll hear this from people

1234
01:00:29,940 --> 01:00:27,489
that don't know anything about ufology I

1235
01:00:33,539 --> 01:00:29,950
mean this is this often time is like

1236
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:33,549
their first time they have even looked

1237
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:35,200
at the subject they'll call us and you

1238
01:00:39,029 --> 01:00:37,359
know something something scary has

1239
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:39,039
happened and they wanted to reach out

1240
01:00:44,450 --> 01:00:40,720
and try to get more information so

1241
01:00:48,839 --> 01:00:44,460
they'll describe the short gray people

1242
01:00:51,420 --> 01:00:48,849
autistic curls in one family talks about

1243
01:00:55,849 --> 01:00:51,430
the doctors the little white doctors

1244
01:01:02,489 --> 01:00:55,859
come through the walls into her room um

1245
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:02,499
uh some of a businessman a businessman

1246
01:01:08,279 --> 01:01:04,960
has told me that when he was a child he

1247
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:08,289
was taken on the crafts and actually

1248
01:01:14,779 --> 01:01:10,210
he's african-american but he said he was

1249
01:01:18,210 --> 01:01:14,789
on the crafts with kids of all races and

1250
01:01:21,509 --> 01:01:18,220
they were there playing in this room and

1251
01:01:24,779 --> 01:01:21,519
he distinctly remembers that there was

1252
01:01:27,630 --> 01:01:24,789
no there was no corners in the room the

1253
01:01:30,569 --> 01:01:27,640
room was perfectly round and the whole

1254
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:30,579
room was lit but there wasn't a light

1255
01:01:40,829 --> 01:01:32,970
source you just seemed to emanate from

1256
01:01:45,049 --> 01:01:40,839
every surface um that was the most the

1257
01:01:48,569 --> 01:01:45,059
aspect of his I guess his experience

1258
01:01:51,250 --> 01:01:48,579
that was most memorable that this room

1259
01:01:54,220 --> 01:01:51,260
is perfectly round

1260
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:54,230
the walls met the benches and it kind of

1261
01:01:59,620 --> 01:01:55,970
the wall curved into the bench and the

1262
01:02:01,480 --> 01:01:59,630
bench curved down into the floor but he

1263
01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:01,490
said he was in there with many other

1264
01:02:07,330 --> 01:02:04,640
children and he said that these were he

1265
01:02:11,010 --> 01:02:07,340
was they were playing with what seemed

1266
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:11,020
to be hybrids about that how about the

1267
01:02:19,810 --> 01:02:16,130
messages and motivation of the reasons

1268
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:19,820
that these so-called abductions happen

1269
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:24,160
is there anything come through on that

1270
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:33,440
um you know I um well see what's your

1271
01:02:37,690 --> 01:02:35,930
getting into the even more I mean

1272
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:37,700
obviously the whole thing of abductions

1273
01:02:42,460 --> 01:02:40,010
is controversial yeah if you if you get

1274
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:42,470
into why they're here I think that woody

1275
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:43,970
would be more controversial but sure

1276
01:02:50,050 --> 01:02:48,530
sure these people believe uh they're

1277
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:50,060
here they're actually that there's many

1278
01:02:55,810 --> 01:02:52,850
species I mean I I talked to different

1279
01:02:57,490 --> 01:02:55,820
families all over the state I mean we

1280
01:02:59,950 --> 01:02:57,500
have families in north north carolina

1281
01:03:01,870 --> 01:02:59,960
mountains we have families in the

1282
01:03:05,470 --> 01:03:01,880
raleigh in the Capital Area we have

1283
01:03:08,410 --> 01:03:05,480
families along the east coast and they

1284
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:08,420
all have similar traits and experiences

1285
01:03:14,350 --> 01:03:12,050
and funny enough though they also

1286
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:14,360
describe different types of beings so

1287
01:03:17,860 --> 01:03:16,370
the short greys are the most commonly

1288
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:17,870
reported one but there's also people

1289
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:21,920
that have the Todd race um one family

1290
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:24,770
from a town close close by Collison

1291
01:03:32,830 --> 01:03:28,850
Salem she is a lady in her in her 50s

1292
01:03:36,690 --> 01:03:32,840
she has had UFO sightings in the you

1293
01:03:40,030 --> 01:03:36,700
know experiences abductions all her life

1294
01:03:42,670 --> 01:03:40,040
her family she married a very religious

1295
01:03:47,260 --> 01:03:42,680
man and her daughter have had

1296
01:03:51,580 --> 01:03:47,270
experiences and the fought the father

1297
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:51,590
has convinced the adult children that

1298
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:54,170
these are demons they're they're of the

1299
01:04:00,079 --> 01:03:55,890
devil

1300
01:04:02,180 --> 01:04:00,089
so these people try to write it off and

1301
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:02,190
not talk about it because it's just evil

1302
01:04:08,569 --> 01:04:05,490
and you know of the devil so they won't

1303
01:04:10,609 --> 01:04:08,579
talk to me but the mother has explained

1304
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:10,619
that you know she's seen these beings

1305
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:13,200
since she was a child and now her 15

1306
01:04:20,180 --> 01:04:17,490
year old son has had experiences one of

1307
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:20,190
his most memorable experiences is when

1308
01:04:24,799 --> 01:04:23,039
he was in elementary school or how old

1309
01:04:27,170 --> 01:04:24,809
are you when you're ten so fourth or

1310
01:04:29,690 --> 01:04:27,180
fifth grade he was sitting in a

1311
01:04:31,609 --> 01:04:29,700
classroom and there was an empty seat

1312
01:04:38,529 --> 01:04:31,619
between him and the window and he looks

1313
01:04:43,009 --> 01:04:38,539
beside him and he sees what looks like a

1314
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:43,019
wavy shadow in the shape of a small

1315
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:45,569
bought a humanoid body sitting in this

1316
01:04:53,150 --> 01:04:48,690
desk next to him and at the time he said

1317
01:04:56,930 --> 01:04:53,160
mommy i saw this water person um in the

1318
01:04:59,120 --> 01:04:56,940
chair next to me and you know we had

1319
01:05:03,170 --> 01:04:59,130
this we talked through this lot and it's

1320
01:05:07,099 --> 01:05:03,180
kind of like from the movie predator the

1321
01:05:09,410 --> 01:05:07,109
alien has this camouflaging I think

1322
01:05:12,019 --> 01:05:09,420
DARPA is experimented with metamaterials

1323
01:05:15,769 --> 01:05:12,029
the warping of light around an object

1324
01:05:16,940 --> 01:05:15,779
right so it looks wavy you can see

1325
01:05:19,099 --> 01:05:16,950
there's something there but but you

1326
01:05:21,170 --> 01:05:19,109
can't quite make it out you can only

1327
01:05:24,410 --> 01:05:21,180
make out the edges because it seems like

1328
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:24,420
light is morphing around the shape well

1329
01:05:28,730 --> 01:05:26,730
this little boy at the time he said I

1330
01:05:34,420 --> 01:05:28,740
saw one of the water people at the

1331
01:05:37,579 --> 01:05:34,430
school it was sitting next to him so

1332
01:05:40,999 --> 01:05:37,589
anyway I get a lot of stories like that

1333
01:05:44,109 --> 01:05:41,009
right Wow you know one of the things I

1334
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:44,119
always think of is if this is really

1335
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:48,210
happening to someone I can't imagine how

1336
01:05:55,279 --> 01:05:52,410
someone could have a normal life do

1337
01:05:58,370 --> 01:05:55,289
people just pick up the pieces and try

1338
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:58,380
to push it away or I mean how could

1339
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:00,000
swell a normal life if that was really

1340
01:06:08,809 --> 01:06:07,170
happening so I I feel that one of the

1341
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:08,819
best things that we can do for our

1342
01:06:14,539 --> 01:06:09,359
witness

1343
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:14,549
is is to help um integrate this

1344
01:06:22,660 --> 01:06:17,609
experience into their lives I have had

1345
01:06:25,999 --> 01:06:22,670
situations where mm am a grown man is

1346
01:06:28,430 --> 01:06:26,009
having really scary abduction situate

1347
01:06:32,239 --> 01:06:28,440
things happening and he's got a small

1348
01:06:35,630 --> 01:06:32,249
child and his girlfriend has also seen

1349
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:35,640
these beings and they're terrified they

1350
01:06:39,859 --> 01:06:37,890
literally stopped sleeping because they

1351
01:06:42,499 --> 01:06:39,869
know when they're asleep that's when

1352
01:06:44,900 --> 01:06:42,509
they come and it's ruining its ruin

1353
01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:44,910
their lives I mean they went overboard

1354
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,900
they were just really got scary i'm sure

1355
01:06:55,130 --> 01:06:50,640
that they're headed for a mental

1356
01:06:57,079 --> 01:06:55,140
breakdown then you have people that try

1357
01:06:58,759 --> 01:06:57,089
to ignore it say i know it's just a

1358
01:07:01,220 --> 01:06:58,769
dream I and they'll say that I know it's

1359
01:07:04,489 --> 01:07:01,230
just a dream it's just a dream they want

1360
01:07:08,329 --> 01:07:04,499
to write it off when people come to our

1361
01:07:11,180 --> 01:07:08,339
meetings I I think they'll feel more

1362
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:11,190
comfortable sharing their stories when

1363
01:07:15,710 --> 01:07:13,200
they hear their neighbors people who

1364
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:15,720
live around them sharing their own UFO

1365
01:07:20,749 --> 01:07:18,960
sightings and you know we'll set up

1366
01:07:24,940 --> 01:07:20,759
these meetings so we'll go from 1pm to

1367
01:07:27,470 --> 01:07:24,950
5pm and at 5pm nobody wants to go home

1368
01:07:29,930 --> 01:07:27,480
everybody wants to sit around and talk

1369
01:07:32,809 --> 01:07:29,940
more and after a couple hours of hearing

1370
01:07:36,380 --> 01:07:32,819
you know other people's stories then we

1371
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:36,390
go to dinner we go to dinner and we'll

1372
01:07:39,609 --> 01:07:37,890
have a couple drinks and then people

1373
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:39,619
would just kind of open up and share

1374
01:07:45,890 --> 01:07:43,200
she's giving sure everything and our

1375
01:07:47,930 --> 01:07:45,900
last meeting a woman who's been coming

1376
01:07:52,359 --> 01:07:47,940
to a few of our meeting she had been

1377
01:07:55,729 --> 01:07:52,369
living in Alaska for a while and she had

1378
01:07:57,380 --> 01:07:55,739
said that she was living at this an

1379
01:07:58,729 --> 01:07:57,390
apartment complex with you know there's

1380
01:08:01,789 --> 01:07:58,739
a couple hundred people living in

1381
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:01,799
apartments and they had seen she and

1382
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:04,319
others had seen a craft land between

1383
01:08:10,009 --> 01:08:07,410
these two apartment buildings well I

1384
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:10,019
said look you need to write down as many

1385
01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:13,410
details as you can and draw some

1386
01:08:17,149 --> 01:08:15,720
pictures I told her that like six months

1387
01:08:19,550 --> 01:08:17,159
ago when I had seen her the first time

1388
01:08:21,499 --> 01:08:19,560
and then at this last meeting she

1389
01:08:23,249 --> 01:08:21,509
actually had her boyfriend who is an

1390
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:23,259
artist draw several

1391
01:08:29,129 --> 01:08:25,449
pictures of the beings that they'd seen

1392
01:08:30,660 --> 01:08:29,139
along with this you know her building

1393
01:08:32,579 --> 01:08:30,670
and the shape of the craft it was

1394
01:08:35,339 --> 01:08:32,589
between the building so while she went

1395
01:08:38,039 --> 01:08:35,349
all out and she's like there's more i

1396
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:38,049
have to add to this and i said look you

1397
01:08:42,749 --> 01:08:40,480
need to do more drawings if you can and

1398
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:42,759
at this point I think she's decided to

1399
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:44,319
write a short small book about her

1400
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:50,170
experience so yeah it's uh it's amazing

1401
01:08:56,519 --> 01:08:54,130
to me how many people are having these

1402
01:08:58,529 --> 01:08:56,529
experiences I just feel like most people

1403
01:09:00,899 --> 01:08:58,539
are not ready to share their story so

1404
01:09:03,629 --> 01:09:00,909
we're reaching out to the public and

1405
01:09:08,669 --> 01:09:03,639
giving them a venue to share these

1406
01:09:11,700 --> 01:09:08,679
stories you know I've had it sounded

1407
01:09:14,700 --> 01:09:11,710
like you had a little in trepidation at

1408
01:09:17,939 --> 01:09:14,710
first you know buying into this I as

1409
01:09:20,209 --> 01:09:17,949
well as myself and you know when I

1410
01:09:22,379 --> 01:09:20,219
started doing the show on UFOs I I

1411
01:09:25,079 --> 01:09:22,389
thought no I'm never going to talk to

1412
01:09:26,609 --> 01:09:25,089
anyone about being abducted you know I'm

1413
01:09:29,549 --> 01:09:26,619
just not going to do that and then after

1414
01:09:31,169 --> 01:09:29,559
a while you know you know I talked to

1415
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:31,179
people like Travis Walton or someone

1416
01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:33,250
like that and I started to think well

1417
01:09:37,259 --> 01:09:35,710
what else would they be doing here you

1418
01:09:40,620 --> 01:09:37,269
know it's kind of like us flying over

1419
01:09:42,269 --> 01:09:40,630
Alaska and you know shooting a polar

1420
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:42,279
bear with the tranquilizer gun and going

1421
01:09:48,990 --> 01:09:45,210
down and you know tagging it or whatever

1422
01:09:51,209 --> 01:09:49,000
you know what else could they be doing

1423
01:09:56,330 --> 01:09:51,219
why would they just stop it a flyover

1424
01:09:58,919 --> 01:09:56,340
you know so it's absolutely a civility

1425
01:10:02,310 --> 01:09:58,929
absolutely so I didn't specifically

1426
01:10:08,069 --> 01:10:02,320
answer your question um what my

1427
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:08,079
witnesses are telling me is that there's

1428
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:11,530
a variety of reasons some are here

1429
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:15,840
because they are integrating our species

1430
01:10:24,689 --> 01:10:20,320
with theirs partly because they need to

1431
01:10:27,029 --> 01:10:24,699
introduce new DNA into their race

1432
01:10:29,399 --> 01:10:27,039
because they've cloned their bodies for

1433
01:10:35,129 --> 01:10:29,409
millions of years and they've reduced

1434
01:10:36,650 --> 01:10:35,139
the quality of their bodies so they need

1435
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:36,660
to introduce

1436
01:10:42,500 --> 01:10:39,330
you DNA all right before we move on from

1437
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:42,510
this is this of these stories that

1438
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:44,730
you've heard more than one person say

1439
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:48,090
and did they hear it actually from the

1440
01:10:55,850 --> 01:10:52,560
beings so yes so obviously that's you

1441
01:10:57,650 --> 01:10:55,860
know this is this is a little fringe I

1442
01:10:59,060 --> 01:10:57,660
guess because unless you've been in a

1443
01:11:01,310 --> 01:10:59,070
bath Gator you're not going to get these

1444
01:11:03,290 --> 01:11:01,320
stories yeah you're not going to get

1445
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:03,300
these stories unless you talked to

1446
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:06,930
hundreds of people and many people who

1447
01:11:12,140 --> 01:11:08,850
are willing to share these stories with

1448
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:12,150
you it takes a long time to build up a

1449
01:11:15,380 --> 01:11:14,250
relationship with someone to the point

1450
01:11:18,260 --> 01:11:15,390
that they're willing to share these

1451
01:11:21,050 --> 01:11:18,270
things that are incredible earth very

1452
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:21,060
difficult to believe it's not like they

1453
01:11:25,460 --> 01:11:22,800
come out and say hey I've been taken by

1454
01:11:27,140 --> 01:11:25,470
aliens and I visited their ships know it

1455
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:27,150
does it doesn't happen in the first week

1456
01:11:31,310 --> 01:11:28,650
or two weeks you know i mean i might go

1457
01:11:33,670 --> 01:11:31,320
months and talking to a person before

1458
01:11:36,530 --> 01:11:33,680
they open up and tell me these stories

1459
01:11:39,020 --> 01:11:36,540
and you know and obviously one of the

1460
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:39,030
other big things is everyone says that

1461
01:11:45,290 --> 01:11:43,290
they are trying to keep us from

1462
01:11:48,170 --> 01:11:45,300
destroying our planet they're trying to

1463
01:11:51,020 --> 01:11:48,180
show these experience these abductees

1464
01:11:54,500 --> 01:11:51,030
they they show them pictures of our

1465
01:11:56,180 --> 01:11:54,510
planet being destroyed by us if you ask

1466
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:56,190
me who's the biggest threat is that the

1467
01:12:02,270 --> 01:11:59,280
aliens no we are the biggest threat to

1468
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:02,280
ourselves if we destroy ourselves then

1469
01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:03,810
that's the way it has to be because a

1470
01:12:09,770 --> 01:12:07,980
species cannot learn by just being told

1471
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:09,780
don't do this when you tell a child

1472
01:12:14,330 --> 01:12:11,280
don't touch the oven you're going to get

1473
01:12:16,190 --> 01:12:14,340
burnt what does the child ooh he's going

1474
01:12:20,210 --> 01:12:16,200
to touch the oven and he's going to burn

1475
01:12:22,700 --> 01:12:20,220
himself that's when a child truly learns

1476
01:12:25,850 --> 01:12:22,710
oh I've made a mistake there's

1477
01:12:27,860 --> 01:12:25,860
repercussions I won't do that again cuz

1478
01:12:30,830 --> 01:12:27,870
you tell a child don't touch it they're

1479
01:12:33,530 --> 01:12:30,840
going to touch it all right kind of same

1480
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:33,540
concept they can show us where we're

1481
01:12:41,450 --> 01:12:39,330
heading with us polluting our planet but

1482
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:41,460
it's up to us to make the conscious

1483
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:45,570
choice to fix it they can't fix it for

1484
01:12:50,300 --> 01:12:48,320
us that would that would that would that

1485
01:12:53,090 --> 01:12:50,310
wouldn't help us in long-term

1486
01:12:57,170 --> 01:12:53,100
I would think what's it going to take

1487
01:12:59,360 --> 01:12:57,180
what is the burning stove you know is it

1488
01:13:02,330 --> 01:12:59,370
up right now the weather pattern i think

1489
01:13:04,850 --> 01:13:02,340
is a little weird you know but what

1490
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:04,860
would it take to we finally wake up and

1491
01:13:08,810 --> 01:13:06,930
say you know what are we doing and what

1492
01:13:11,330 --> 01:13:08,820
type of sacrifices are we willing to

1493
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:11,340
make to get things straightened out

1494
01:13:16,190 --> 01:13:13,920
again ya know I I think we'll have to

1495
01:13:19,310 --> 01:13:16,200
continue unfortunately in this this the

1496
01:13:23,060 --> 01:13:19,320
route we're currently going I mean our

1497
01:13:27,290 --> 01:13:23,070
climate has to become seriously

1498
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:27,300
dangerous to us for us to finally I mean

1499
01:13:31,730 --> 01:13:29,130
we had to burn ourselves we have to burn

1500
01:13:34,610 --> 01:13:31,740
ourselves for the general human

1501
01:13:39,970 --> 01:13:34,620
population to say oh my god we made a

1502
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:43,610
agree a couple of questions that came up

1503
01:13:52,250 --> 01:13:48,410
earlier but I jot it down here is some

1504
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:52,260
who would you consider of those 57 cases

1505
01:13:57,770 --> 01:13:54,690
you've investigated who would you

1506
01:14:02,870 --> 01:13:57,780
consider is the most credible witness

1507
01:14:05,690 --> 01:14:02,880
and can you describe the story well I

1508
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:05,700
want one of the most credible yeah you

1509
01:14:09,530 --> 01:14:07,410
know I'll have to go back to the the

1510
01:14:13,670 --> 01:14:09,540
case i was describing about the high

1511
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:13,680
school physics teacher he I talked to

1512
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:16,050
him I talked to the daughter I've seen

1513
01:14:24,910 --> 01:14:21,090
the pictures the wife has now had the

1514
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:24,920
wife for years was trying to deny it

1515
01:14:30,890 --> 01:14:27,360
this wasn't happening she'd kind of

1516
01:14:33,950 --> 01:14:30,900
tried to dismiss it and now she wake up

1517
01:14:36,350 --> 01:14:33,960
and tell her husband that yes she has

1518
01:14:39,410 --> 01:14:36,360
had the dreams and they'll call it

1519
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:39,420
dreams of being on the crafts being on

1520
01:14:52,570 --> 01:14:43,920
the metal table and being submitted to

1521
01:14:55,940 --> 01:14:52,580
some medical procedure Wow so um I

1522
01:15:02,710 --> 01:14:55,950
spoken to the mom the father the

1523
01:15:04,190 --> 01:15:02,720
daughter the brother is still

1524
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:04,200
uncomfortable

1525
01:15:09,380 --> 01:15:06,960
talking to me about it but it affects

1526
01:15:13,150 --> 01:15:09,390
the brother the brothers also in like in

1527
01:15:18,170 --> 01:15:13,160
his fifties and his teenage daughter's

1528
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:18,180
the same night that they had the scary

1529
01:15:24,100 --> 01:15:20,250
thing about what sounded like a boom

1530
01:15:28,250 --> 01:15:24,110
next to the second floor of the house uh

1531
01:15:30,770 --> 01:15:28,260
the visiting teenage girl like 13 had

1532
01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:30,780
something really really scary said that

1533
01:15:36,110 --> 01:15:32,450
something happened to the whole family

1534
01:15:38,510 --> 01:15:36,120
she saw the whole family in a doctor's

1535
01:15:40,820 --> 01:15:38,520
room but that's all said she would be

1536
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:40,830
willing to say when there's so many

1537
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:43,920
people involved that to me is the most

1538
01:15:51,410 --> 01:15:47,760
credible cases let's say that lets

1539
01:15:55,550 --> 01:15:51,420
another story is we'll call him my

1540
01:15:58,670 --> 01:15:55,560
raleigh Raleigh North Carolina case the

1541
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:58,680
first case that he submitted to us he

1542
01:16:05,570 --> 01:16:01,920
said he saw small being walk through the

1543
01:16:08,690 --> 01:16:05,580
wall next to his bed and he was unable

1544
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:08,700
to move and is being opened it stretched

1545
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:11,520
open his eye more and injected something

1546
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:14,130
into his eyeball so when i read that I'm

1547
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:15,810
like my god this guy's totally crazy

1548
01:16:21,710 --> 01:16:18,090
okay but that's my that's my knee-jerk

1549
01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:21,720
reaction uh-huh and I talked to him and

1550
01:16:25,550 --> 01:16:23,490
I said you know take the details when it

1551
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:25,560
happened did anybody see nobody saw okay

1552
01:16:32,750 --> 01:16:28,730
well how log it is unknown or

1553
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:32,760
information that's fine but then he goes

1554
01:16:39,020 --> 01:16:35,090
back and he starts sending me pictures

1555
01:16:41,630 --> 01:16:39,030
the UFO cc's of these things that happen

1556
01:16:45,290 --> 01:16:41,640
and then you know in these men I know

1557
01:16:49,100 --> 01:16:45,300
now for years he he tells me that his

1558
01:16:53,060 --> 01:16:49,110
sister in Atlanta has also paranormal

1559
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:53,070
experiences so I little ok so to me I'm

1560
01:16:57,220 --> 01:16:55,290
having a hard time believing this guy I

1561
01:17:02,540 --> 01:16:57,230
mean is he really seeing these beings

1562
01:17:04,100 --> 01:17:02,550
excuse me so I call it sister and and

1563
01:17:07,670 --> 01:17:04,110
she says yeah I know about my brother's

1564
01:17:09,410 --> 01:17:07,680
fascination with UFOs and and you know I

1565
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:09,420
don't know if I necessarily believe this

1566
01:17:13,010 --> 01:17:11,520
is what the sisters telling me and then

1567
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:13,020
I said well so he was telling me you've

1568
01:17:17,410 --> 01:17:15,330
had some paranormal experiences she goes

1569
01:17:19,689 --> 01:17:17,420
yeah you know I

1570
01:17:23,140 --> 01:17:19,699
see ghosts we see ghosts in my house and

1571
01:17:24,729 --> 01:17:23,150
this is a divorced woman with at the

1572
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:24,739
time she had like a 13 year old daughter

1573
01:17:29,410 --> 01:17:27,290
she says yeah I'll see shadows run

1574
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:29,420
across my house you know run across the

1575
01:17:37,060 --> 01:17:33,440
room and she says my teenage daughter

1576
01:17:40,060 --> 01:17:37,070
also says she sees the little people she

1577
01:17:43,510 --> 01:17:40,070
sees what seemed to be three to four

1578
01:17:47,169 --> 01:17:43,520
foot tall shadows moving around her in

1579
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:47,179
her room and that's when I'm like

1580
01:17:53,500 --> 01:17:50,210
thinking oh my god it sounds like this

1581
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:53,510
other case I had in winston-salem where

1582
01:17:59,560 --> 01:17:56,570
and I said could you would you say it's

1583
01:18:02,650 --> 01:17:59,570
looked like a small being that just

1584
01:18:03,970 --> 01:18:02,660
looked like a shadow and she goes wow I

1585
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:03,980
you know I didn't really ever think

1586
01:18:07,180 --> 01:18:05,449
about that but yeah actually that's what

1587
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:07,190
it looks like it looks like the shadow

1588
01:18:13,209 --> 01:18:10,880
of a small being and she said I just

1589
01:18:16,330 --> 01:18:13,219
assumed they were always goes but when I

1590
01:18:18,130 --> 01:18:16,340
talked to her she's like oh my god so is

1591
01:18:20,650 --> 01:18:18,140
my brother's fascination with ufos--

1592
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:20,660
actually somehow affecting me and my

1593
01:18:31,390 --> 01:18:27,730
daughter so anyway those are the kind of

1594
01:18:35,620 --> 01:18:31,400
correlations I find across cases um

1595
01:18:38,740 --> 01:18:35,630
here's another interesting case it came

1596
01:18:42,459 --> 01:18:38,750
my way a woman who described herself or

1597
01:18:46,689 --> 01:18:42,469
just described herself named Jenny she

1598
01:18:49,419 --> 01:18:46,699
said I'm a banking executive she said I

1599
01:18:51,250 --> 01:18:49,429
will not give you my true name or my

1600
01:18:53,919 --> 01:18:51,260
contact information you'll only get

1601
01:18:55,750 --> 01:18:53,929
these emails from me she says I've had

1602
01:19:01,590 --> 01:18:55,760
abduction experiences since I was a

1603
01:19:07,180 --> 01:19:01,600
child and she says I am still single I

1604
01:19:10,510 --> 01:19:07,190
am a very very busy executive I have a

1605
01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:10,520
boyfriend and I have not shared with him

1606
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:13,280
these abduction cases she's and in the

1607
01:19:20,919 --> 01:19:15,650
email she says but I have been

1608
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:20,929
impregnated and I knew that he didn't

1609
01:19:24,370 --> 01:19:22,370
come from the boyfriend or it was before

1610
01:19:25,870 --> 01:19:24,380
the boyfriend and I've gone to the

1611
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:25,880
doctor age he says congratulations

1612
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:28,730
you're pregnant and she doesn't say

1613
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:30,930
anything she's like okay

1614
01:19:37,220 --> 01:19:35,250
thank you and later around three to four

1615
01:19:40,460 --> 01:19:37,230
months down the line she goes back and

1616
01:19:44,180 --> 01:19:40,470
she says you you no longer have a fetus

1617
01:19:47,330 --> 01:19:44,190
did you discharge she says no no I don't

1618
01:19:50,330 --> 01:19:47,340
think so and then she has to go about

1619
01:19:54,260 --> 01:19:50,340
her back to her business busy executive

1620
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:54,270
life at the banks but she has said that

1621
01:19:59,300 --> 01:19:56,610
she's experienced at all her life she

1622
01:20:01,220 --> 01:19:59,310
just needed someone to tell and

1623
01:20:05,060 --> 01:20:01,230
unfortunately she only communicated with

1624
01:20:07,550 --> 01:20:05,070
me for a few months and I mean can you

1625
01:20:11,210 --> 01:20:07,560
imagine if if you're a high-ranking

1626
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:11,220
executive at a bank and and somebody

1627
01:20:16,010 --> 01:20:13,050
starts talking about your abductions and

1628
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:16,020
you being impregnating and losing a baby

1629
01:20:24,290 --> 01:20:21,330
I that could have real repercussions in

1630
01:20:27,050 --> 01:20:24,300
someone's professional life that person

1631
01:20:30,350 --> 01:20:27,060
is not going to be comfortable having

1632
01:20:32,300 --> 01:20:30,360
her case documented anywhere weatherby

1633
01:20:34,730 --> 01:20:32,310
move on her anywhere else you know but

1634
01:20:37,250 --> 01:20:34,740
she emailed me about that and I really

1635
01:20:39,260 --> 01:20:37,260
really wish that she had she would reach

1636
01:20:42,890 --> 01:20:39,270
out to me or you know maybe would meet

1637
01:20:44,750 --> 01:20:42,900
me in person because I just don't think

1638
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:44,760
that she's the only one I think there

1639
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:48,570
are far more people out there I think it

1640
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:51,840
happens in every town in every state I

1641
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:53,610
don't think North Carolina is special in

1642
01:21:00,350 --> 01:20:55,890
any way I really think this is happening

1643
01:21:04,850 --> 01:21:00,360
everywhere well I'll tell you it's it's

1644
01:21:07,010 --> 01:21:04,860
a if it if it is so it's just a scary

1645
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:07,020
situation and I understand what you're

1646
01:21:13,460 --> 01:21:09,210
saying you know I mean it if someone is

1647
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:13,470
emailing you it does not you know it

1648
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:16,800
could be it could be BS as someone said

1649
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:19,410
on the message board you know sorry but

1650
01:21:24,170 --> 01:21:21,690
when you see them face to face you can

1651
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:24,180
make your your judgment absolutely but I

1652
01:21:29,870 --> 01:21:26,130
I totally understand if someone is

1653
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:29,880
actually a bank exec you know course are

1654
01:21:35,570 --> 01:21:32,370
not going to hmm tell anyone about this

1655
01:21:37,690 --> 01:21:35,580
type of situation her and I can't

1656
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:37,700
imagine what type of turmoil it would be

1657
01:21:42,440 --> 01:21:40,320
mmhmm yeah it's you know what I am

1658
01:21:44,490 --> 01:21:42,450
totally okay with anybody seeing this BS

1659
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:44,500
I firmly under

1660
01:21:48,750 --> 01:21:46,330
dan where you're coming from I got into

1661
01:21:51,810 --> 01:21:48,760
move on because I wasn't ready to accept

1662
01:21:53,370 --> 01:21:51,820
it I I couldn't accept it I needed to

1663
01:21:56,250 --> 01:21:53,380
meet these people I needed to see it

1664
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:56,260
with my own eyes so let me tell you what

1665
01:22:03,900 --> 01:22:00,400
happened on November fifth 2011 and 9 30

1666
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:03,910
p.m. one of these cases had been

1667
01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:06,970
reporting seeing the UFOs frequently

1668
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:11,110
they were experiencers it affected the

1669
01:22:17,060 --> 01:22:14,170
wife it affected the husband and the

1670
01:22:20,730 --> 01:22:17,070
grown daughter and a teenage

1671
01:22:22,290 --> 01:22:20,740
grandchildren so we took we had had a

1672
01:22:25,230 --> 01:22:22,300
MUFON meeting in Hickory North Carolina

1673
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:25,240
and after the meeting we went to this

1674
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:28,330
person's house I set up my infrared I

1675
01:22:34,020 --> 01:22:31,360
set up my telescope I had a camera on my

1676
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:34,030
chest other people had their video

1677
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:37,360
camera and it was cold that night it was

1678
01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:39,370
really really cold there was 12 of us

1679
01:22:45,570 --> 01:22:42,400
who had started out outside and six of

1680
01:22:47,940 --> 01:22:45,580
us six of the people win in sight at

1681
01:22:53,790 --> 01:22:47,950
nine thirty at night one of the

1682
01:22:59,970 --> 01:22:53,800
witnesses said oh my God look up and we

1683
01:23:02,210 --> 01:22:59,980
saw a boomerang-shaped craft maybe we'll

1684
01:23:06,420 --> 01:23:02,220
say right around five thousand feet up

1685
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:06,430
so it's really low i would say it was

1686
01:23:13,580 --> 01:23:10,690
the size of us between the size of one

1687
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:13,590
to two once to twice the size of a 747

1688
01:23:22,500 --> 01:23:18,850
and we saw the craft cross a quarter of

1689
01:23:27,180 --> 01:23:22,510
the sky somewhere between 10 and 20

1690
01:23:29,190 --> 01:23:27,190
seconds and the scariest thing I'm

1691
01:23:33,480 --> 01:23:29,200
looking at it and I'm not accepting I'm

1692
01:23:35,550 --> 01:23:33,490
not um I'm having tribal processing what

1693
01:23:38,340 --> 01:23:35,560
I'm seeing is not supposed to be real

1694
01:23:41,550 --> 01:23:38,350
mm-hmm I have a camera on my chest in

1695
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:41,560
all I did was look at it my mouth wide

1696
01:23:46,350 --> 01:23:44,650
open and I'm watching it and you know

1697
01:23:48,090 --> 01:23:46,360
I've heard other people say that I'm

1698
01:23:49,140 --> 01:23:48,100
thinking oh my god you're full of crap I

1699
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:49,150
would have taken thousand pictures

1700
01:23:55,530 --> 01:23:51,520
mm-hmm when you see something that you

1701
01:23:58,260 --> 01:23:55,540
cannot process shot is a real thing

1702
01:24:01,020 --> 01:23:58,270
right until you're in in that

1703
01:24:02,310 --> 01:24:01,030
chu a shin yeah you're not gonna

1704
01:24:04,140 --> 01:24:02,320
understand because yeah I had a camera

1705
01:24:06,570 --> 01:24:04,150
on my chest I was there with other

1706
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:06,580
people these other people have come to

1707
01:24:10,500 --> 01:24:08,560
the other most of the meetings and

1708
01:24:13,050 --> 01:24:10,510
they'll you know they'll say yep that's

1709
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:13,060
exactly what we saw as if matter of fact

1710
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:17,050
I've now gone as far as I used a website

1711
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:21,130
called Tinkercad com to do a 3d model of

1712
01:24:27,630 --> 01:24:24,370
the boomerang-shaped craft that we saw I

1713
01:24:32,850 --> 01:24:27,640
actually need to get it printed off but

1714
01:24:37,140 --> 01:24:32,860
that one event altered my life and made

1715
01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:37,150
me realize that this is so important I

1716
01:24:45,180 --> 01:24:39,490
have to dedicate a small portion of my

1717
01:24:47,970 --> 01:24:45,190
life to helping people real helping

1718
01:24:51,630 --> 01:24:47,980
people learn that this is a real thing

1719
01:24:54,300 --> 01:24:51,640
it affects every one of us now when this

1720
01:24:58,110 --> 01:24:54,310
thing was going over it was dark out i'm

1721
01:25:01,200 --> 01:24:58,120
assuming yeah a 930 at night we had seen

1722
01:25:04,980 --> 01:25:01,210
the helicopter from the local hospital

1723
01:25:09,390 --> 01:25:04,990
we'd seen the Jets at 35,000 feet you

1724
01:25:13,230 --> 01:25:09,400
can clearly hear a jet and we can sound

1725
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:13,240
on this one nothing I'm looking at it I

1726
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:15,370
was staring at it there's no sound I'm

1727
01:25:20,460 --> 01:25:17,890
waiting for sound to come at me there's

1728
01:25:23,010 --> 01:25:20,470
no sound it's I mean I'm in shock i'm

1729
01:25:25,650 --> 01:25:23,020
scared i'm i'm a having difficulty

1730
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:25,660
processing what I'm seeing and there was

1731
01:25:32,610 --> 01:25:28,480
six of us and we all had equipment there

1732
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:32,620
and nobody got it nobody got it we were

1733
01:25:41,370 --> 01:25:37,600
all just just in shock wow wow and any

1734
01:25:44,490 --> 01:25:41,380
lights on it yep yep there was at the

1735
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:44,500
end of the of the boomerang the light to

1736
01:25:54,180 --> 01:25:48,010
the end were orange and at the front tip

1737
01:25:59,220 --> 01:25:54,190
there was a large larger red light it's

1738
01:26:01,730 --> 01:25:59,230
almost like um just their large circular

1739
01:26:04,110 --> 01:26:01,740
objects that were pointing straight down

1740
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:04,120
well it's amazing that you picked that

1741
01:26:09,870 --> 01:26:08,050
night or is this something they were was

1742
01:26:11,470 --> 01:26:09,880
this similar to what they were seeing

1743
01:26:14,380 --> 01:26:11,480
the witnesses

1744
01:26:18,220 --> 01:26:14,390
um they had seen a variety of shapes the

1745
01:26:24,729 --> 01:26:18,230
triangles the disc I think they even saw

1746
01:26:27,190 --> 01:26:24,739
a pyramid at one point um I I think it

1747
01:26:29,020 --> 01:26:27,200
had to do we like the really reason I

1748
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:29,030
saw it is because of the experiences

1749
01:26:34,150 --> 01:26:31,730
there that were with me it was not just

1750
01:26:38,010 --> 01:26:34,160
a family who lived there it was also

1751
01:26:42,940 --> 01:26:38,020
another lady who lived in another town

1752
01:26:46,570 --> 01:26:42,950
her her cousin her husband her autistic

1753
01:26:49,570 --> 01:26:46,580
child have had experiences and I think

1754
01:26:52,450 --> 01:26:49,580
it was because of them that's why I was

1755
01:26:56,410 --> 01:26:52,460
fortunate enough to see it I don't know

1756
01:27:00,040 --> 01:26:56,420
if you know this but North Carolina we

1757
01:27:03,310 --> 01:27:00,050
have a city called Wilmington where we

1758
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:03,320
have a lot of sightings I'm just going

1759
01:27:08,410 --> 01:27:06,130
to ask you about hot spots yes hot spots

1760
01:27:10,140 --> 01:27:08,420
hot spots number one hot spot north

1761
01:27:14,710 --> 01:27:10,150
carolina is Wilmington North Carolina

1762
01:27:16,650 --> 01:27:14,720
it's right on the coast it is funny

1763
01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:16,660
enough there is a nuclear power plant

1764
01:27:21,370 --> 01:27:20,000
Cape here the I egg I don't remember

1765
01:27:23,979 --> 01:27:21,380
exactly the name of the power plant

1766
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,989
butts near Cape Fear and we also have

1767
01:27:28,210 --> 01:27:25,760
the largest weapons any mission

1768
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:28,220
transport in North Carolina that both

1769
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:32,690
are really close by we have so many

1770
01:27:39,610 --> 01:27:34,850
sightings come from New Hanover as the

1771
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:39,620
county um I also see a lot of people on

1772
01:27:46,300 --> 01:27:42,890
YouTube reporting sightings along that

1773
01:27:49,210 --> 01:27:46,310
area there is one particular young man

1774
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:49,220
who has gotten lots of videos of the

1775
01:27:56,170 --> 01:27:54,650
orange orbs there and I he had started

1776
01:27:59,020 --> 01:27:56,180
to get in touch with another man in

1777
01:28:02,080 --> 01:27:59,030
Myrtle Beach South Carolina so it's it's

1778
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:02,090
it's pretty close by 45 50 minute drive

1779
01:28:07,810 --> 01:28:04,970
between the two cities well they've had

1780
01:28:10,750 --> 01:28:07,820
a lot of sightings there too I was in

1781
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:10,760
Myrtle Beach on vacation and I'd already

1782
01:28:14,020 --> 01:28:12,290
known that there was lots of UFO

1783
01:28:15,940 --> 01:28:14,030
sightings there and a lot of people had

1784
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:15,950
to describe the orange orbs coming in

1785
01:28:23,140 --> 01:28:18,800
from the ocean so I decided you know

1786
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:23,150
what I'm gonna go check it out so it was

1787
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:25,130
like a frightening it was friday sep 10

1788
01:28:32,620 --> 01:28:29,810
30a 2013 I believe I taken a lawn chair

1789
01:28:37,419 --> 01:28:32,630
took my tripod took my video camera and

1790
01:28:41,260 --> 01:28:37,429
I sat on the beach looking out over the

1791
01:28:42,580 --> 01:28:41,270
ocean and I started at ten o'clock at

1792
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:42,590
night I said I'm gonna stay there till

1793
01:28:48,100 --> 01:28:44,330
midnight you know it's a long shot they

1794
01:28:50,260 --> 01:28:48,110
don't see anything but I'm gonna stay so

1795
01:28:52,990 --> 01:28:50,270
I was there and I saw lots of planes go

1796
01:28:56,410 --> 01:28:53,000
by I can't say I saw any satellites but

1797
01:28:58,270 --> 01:28:56,420
I did see the planes go by and uh so i

1798
01:29:00,340 --> 01:28:58,280
was there till midnight and he was gonna

1799
01:29:01,570 --> 01:29:00,350
get coal I'm like you know I really kind

1800
01:29:04,899 --> 01:29:01,580
of was hoping I'd see something let me

1801
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:04,909
stay another hour one o'clock comes up I

1802
01:29:10,090 --> 01:29:07,370
like okay forget it you know I'm really

1803
01:29:12,910 --> 01:29:10,100
tired I'm going to go back so I pack up

1804
01:29:15,970 --> 01:29:12,920
my tripod I put the video camera in the

1805
01:29:19,260 --> 01:29:15,980
bag I pack up my folding chair and I

1806
01:29:24,250 --> 01:29:19,270
start walking towards the parking lot

1807
01:29:26,649 --> 01:29:24,260
there is an orange orb i would say 60

1808
01:29:30,850 --> 01:29:26,659
feet off the ground coming towards the

1809
01:29:32,709 --> 01:29:30,860
beach at a i don't know i was guessing

1810
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:32,719
somewhere between 50 and 60 miles per

1811
01:29:37,990 --> 01:29:35,570
hour and it's speeding up and i'm still

1812
01:29:39,550 --> 01:29:38,000
on the beach and it stops almost above

1813
01:29:41,229 --> 01:29:39,560
me at 60 feet and the reason I'm saying

1814
01:29:43,450 --> 01:29:41,239
60 feet there is a three-story house on

1815
01:29:45,970 --> 01:29:43,460
the beach and it was about twice the

1816
01:29:49,540 --> 01:29:45,980
height of that three-story house it came

1817
01:29:52,570 --> 01:29:49,550
up above the beach and did not stop it

1818
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:52,580
did a 90 degree turn and went straight

1819
01:30:00,970 --> 01:29:56,239
north along the coast without slowing

1820
01:30:03,490 --> 01:30:00,980
down wow so so I mean it's only like 60

1821
01:30:05,979 --> 01:30:03,500
60 to 70 feet is how the closest point

1822
01:30:09,070 --> 01:30:05,989
it got to me and I'm looking up at it at

1823
01:30:10,300 --> 01:30:09,080
that point I'm trying to process as much

1824
01:30:12,310 --> 01:30:10,310
as possible and I'm getting the video

1825
01:30:14,410 --> 01:30:12,320
camera out and I the sighting only

1826
01:30:16,510 --> 01:30:14,420
lasted 5 to 6 seconds or maybe 10

1827
01:30:19,390 --> 01:30:16,520
seconds it wasn't enough time for me to

1828
01:30:21,729 --> 01:30:19,400
get the camera out and on but I can tell

1829
01:30:25,090 --> 01:30:21,739
you that this object was four to five

1830
01:30:29,379 --> 01:30:25,100
feet across I would describe the outer

1831
01:30:32,350 --> 01:30:29,389
surface as very glass like ah a dark

1832
01:30:38,410 --> 01:30:32,360
orange but towards the center it seemed

1833
01:30:42,790 --> 01:30:38,420
to be a darker red um it was moving

1834
01:30:44,860 --> 01:30:42,800
way too fast to be anything like you

1835
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:44,870
know Chinese lantern I mean it was I'm

1836
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:46,130
kind of guessing it was somewhere about

1837
01:30:53,350 --> 01:30:48,530
60 miles per hour and it literally did a

1838
01:30:55,810 --> 01:30:53,360
90-degree turn without slowing um so I

1839
01:30:59,169 --> 01:30:55,820
have now seen the orange orbs that so

1840
01:31:01,479 --> 01:30:59,179
many people are describing yes and you

1841
01:31:02,860 --> 01:31:01,489
know when I first heard about the orange

1842
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:02,870
orbs you know the first thing I thought

1843
01:31:09,370 --> 01:31:07,489
was Chinese lanterns you know but you

1844
01:31:13,180 --> 01:31:09,380
know when you and other people have

1845
01:31:15,250 --> 01:31:13,190
described you know the the moves and you

1846
01:31:17,709 --> 01:31:15,260
know the different I'm trying to think

1847
01:31:19,450 --> 01:31:17,719
he was on the show recently he wrote the

1848
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:19,460
book on orange orbs and he's working

1849
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:21,650
with MUFON now are you familiar with him

1850
01:31:30,729 --> 01:31:26,810
talking about um yeah I did yes but

1851
01:31:33,459 --> 01:31:30,739
anyway he had a beef citing where he was

1852
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:33,469
describing that it was like one right

1853
01:31:38,470 --> 01:31:35,090
after the other and it had the exact

1854
01:31:40,470 --> 01:31:38,480
same pattern that it flew which is

1855
01:31:42,910 --> 01:31:40,480
really bizarre and why are they

1856
01:31:45,189 --> 01:31:42,920
overwater so much or toward the water

1857
01:31:47,650 --> 01:31:45,199
you know there's so many well if

1858
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:47,660
Wednesday's if you want to hide where

1859
01:31:51,100 --> 01:31:49,730
where would be the best place to hide I

1860
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:51,110
mean you know that's just speculation

1861
01:31:58,660 --> 01:31:55,570
but you know we we do have a lot of

1862
01:32:02,320 --> 01:31:58,670
sightings from that area and most of the

1863
01:32:05,530 --> 01:32:02,330
ones are about people seeing the orange

1864
01:32:07,300 --> 01:32:05,540
orbs coming in from over the ocean as a

1865
01:32:12,340 --> 01:32:07,310
matter of fact as a matter of fact one

1866
01:32:15,010 --> 01:32:12,350
of my cases in 2014 a person had taken a

1867
01:32:16,959 --> 01:32:15,020
photo of an object they saw in the very

1868
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:16,969
far distance in in the middle of day

1869
01:32:23,590 --> 01:32:21,050
over over the ocean what was it

1870
01:32:25,419 --> 01:32:23,600
whitesville beach whitesville beach

1871
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:25,429
somewhere somewhere like that in North

1872
01:32:32,020 --> 01:32:28,850
Carolina they sent me a picture from

1873
01:32:34,780 --> 01:32:32,030
their iphone and it was very grainy but

1874
01:32:37,870 --> 01:32:34,790
he said this is Elvis is a businessman

1875
01:32:39,310 --> 01:32:37,880
there in I don't know I mean to me I

1876
01:32:42,150 --> 01:32:39,320
have to give a person who with a

1877
01:32:48,370 --> 01:32:42,160
successful business more credibility

1878
01:32:49,689 --> 01:32:48,380
this businessman and his wife had went

1879
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:49,699
back in the house they got their

1880
01:32:53,500 --> 01:32:52,010
binoculars and they looked up at the

1881
01:32:58,660 --> 01:32:53,510
looked at this object in the distance

1882
01:33:01,600 --> 01:32:58,670
and they said oh my god that is a UFO

1883
01:33:04,330 --> 01:33:01,610
and it is sucking water from the ocean

1884
01:33:07,149 --> 01:33:04,340
hmm they sent me the picture and it's

1885
01:33:09,609 --> 01:33:07,159
really grainy I mean I knew what to

1886
01:33:11,500 --> 01:33:09,619
expect so yes that's what I make out you

1887
01:33:15,100 --> 01:33:11,510
know can someone say it looks more like

1888
01:33:17,379 --> 01:33:15,110
a freight freight freighter sure okay

1889
01:33:19,919 --> 01:33:17,389
that's fine i mean it's grainy i mean

1890
01:33:22,180 --> 01:33:19,929
you can't zoom in i try to do some up

1891
01:33:23,770 --> 01:33:22,190
image manipulation but you're not i

1892
01:33:26,319 --> 01:33:23,780
couldn't get any more detail out of it

1893
01:33:28,410 --> 01:33:26,329
yes this was a couple of years ago so

1894
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:28,420
the image quality was still kind of poor

1895
01:33:32,529 --> 01:33:31,130
but this is what the business man is

1896
01:33:35,229 --> 01:33:32,539
when I've told me they they got

1897
01:33:37,899 --> 01:33:35,239
binoculars and they said it was a UFO

1898
01:33:40,180 --> 01:33:37,909
craft and he was bobbing so it would

1899
01:33:43,149 --> 01:33:40,190
tilt and you could see the Sun

1900
01:33:44,979 --> 01:33:43,159
reflecting off its top surface and here

1901
01:33:48,790 --> 01:33:44,989
water was being sucked in through the

1902
01:33:52,029 --> 01:33:48,800
bottom right that's a similar to another

1903
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:52,039
case forget exactly where but it was

1904
01:33:57,879 --> 01:33:54,010
actually in the middle of a lake and

1905
01:34:00,490 --> 01:33:57,889
sucking water up into it yep of course

1906
01:34:01,959 --> 01:34:00,500
you know they need to have water you

1907
01:34:05,770 --> 01:34:01,969
know someone just made a comment about

1908
01:34:08,919 --> 01:34:05,780
the truck driver lemme tell ya the truck

1909
01:34:11,919 --> 01:34:08,929
driver doesn't give a damn what anybody

1910
01:34:14,319 --> 01:34:11,929
thinks about him so the truck driver is

1911
01:34:19,029 --> 01:34:14,329
going to be one of the first people to

1912
01:34:21,430 --> 01:34:19,039
admit about the UFO sighting the radio

1913
01:34:24,220 --> 01:34:21,440
station owner that has reported to move

1914
01:34:27,549 --> 01:34:24,230
on you're never going to hear about his

1915
01:34:30,700 --> 01:34:27,559
sighting because he has way too much to

1916
01:34:34,509 --> 01:34:30,710
lose his business is all around his

1917
01:34:36,910 --> 01:34:34,519
credibility his story will not be shared

1918
01:34:39,370 --> 01:34:36,920
with anyone but he shared it with move

1919
01:34:43,540 --> 01:34:39,380
on and we will keep other names

1920
01:34:47,169 --> 01:34:43,550
anonymous but we do get sightings from

1921
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:47,179
many bankers and business owners I

1922
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:49,250
haven't talked to any doctors but I'm

1923
01:34:54,189 --> 01:34:50,690
pretty sure we did sightings from

1924
01:34:57,759 --> 01:34:54,199
doctors it you have sightings for them

1925
01:35:00,390 --> 01:34:57,769
full spectrum and for the people that

1926
01:35:03,759 --> 01:35:00,400
don't believe I I don't blame you at all

1927
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:03,769
it's going to take you actually seeing

1928
01:35:08,830 --> 01:35:05,930
it for you to fully

1929
01:35:13,690 --> 01:35:08,840
understand you know the implications

1930
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:13,700
that this is real right question up

1931
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:16,690
there is there a commonality to which

1932
01:35:25,480 --> 01:35:21,650
side that eyes or nose probing implants

1933
01:35:28,180 --> 01:35:25,490
or two which nostril they are inset into

1934
01:35:36,630 --> 01:35:28,190
have you heard about any implants in any

1935
01:35:38,830 --> 01:35:36,640
of these abduction cases yes yes we have

1936
01:35:43,810 --> 01:35:38,840
sometimes it's in the shin sometimes

1937
01:35:45,850 --> 01:35:43,820
it's in the ear uh but it doesn't seem

1938
01:35:50,590 --> 01:35:45,860
to be consistent i have an EMF reader

1939
01:35:52,210 --> 01:35:50,600
that i take to our meetings i have not

1940
01:35:56,980 --> 01:35:52,220
been successful in picking up anything

1941
01:35:59,670 --> 01:35:56,990
with mine but someone else who had a

1942
01:36:02,560 --> 01:35:59,680
really high-end EMF reader did pick up

1943
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:02,570
um electrical frequencies being given

1944
01:36:10,630 --> 01:36:07,250
off by somebody shin some of my families

1945
01:36:15,820 --> 01:36:10,640
that have lifelong experiences have it

1946
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:15,830
chose to invest money into um game

1947
01:36:20,550 --> 01:36:17,690
cameras that they set up inside their

1948
01:36:22,990 --> 01:36:20,560
homes and they will also leave on

1949
01:36:26,290 --> 01:36:23,000
microphones to record the sounds at

1950
01:36:30,820 --> 01:36:26,300
night oh here's an interesting thing so

1951
01:36:34,030 --> 01:36:30,830
I start to tell these peep family 'he's

1952
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:34,040
with lifelong experiences to start

1953
01:36:40,540 --> 01:36:36,650
documenting and photographing every

1954
01:36:43,660 --> 01:36:40,550
bruise every cut that they get one of my

1955
01:36:48,010 --> 01:36:43,670
family's she went out and bought a small

1956
01:36:50,980 --> 01:36:48,020
recorder and in a middle night she was

1957
01:36:52,660 --> 01:36:50,990
woken up by some noise and this the

1958
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:52,670
recorder went off and she's talking

1959
01:36:57,580 --> 01:36:55,090
she's like I hear somebody moving and

1960
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:57,590
sure enough on the recorder she's like

1961
01:37:04,450 --> 01:36:59,600
oh my god somebody is running across my

1962
01:37:06,460 --> 01:37:04,460
roof and you can hear like I mean it

1963
01:37:08,890 --> 01:37:06,470
sounds like somebody is running can't

1964
01:37:12,220 --> 01:37:08,900
exactly City tell it's on the roof but

1965
01:37:15,820 --> 01:37:12,230
you can hear footsteps running well in

1966
01:37:18,890 --> 01:37:15,830
that same night's recording she got what

1967
01:37:20,730 --> 01:37:18,900
it sounded like clicking sounds

1968
01:37:24,510 --> 01:37:20,740
clicking sounds from two different

1969
01:37:26,820 --> 01:37:24,520
people and when she showed me she gave

1970
01:37:28,530 --> 01:37:26,830
me that audio clip I was like wow that's

1971
01:37:32,390 --> 01:37:28,540
kind of weird and interesting and you

1972
01:37:35,460 --> 01:37:32,400
know I didn't think much of it and then

1973
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:35,470
my this that down with family was in a

1974
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:38,410
winston-salem North Carolina then my

1975
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:40,930
family from the mountains a few months

1976
01:37:47,700 --> 01:37:45,850
later also got a microphone and funny

1977
01:37:54,270 --> 01:37:47,710
enough they recorded what sounded like

1978
01:37:58,490 --> 01:37:54,280
clickings I almost like somebody talking

1979
01:38:04,140 --> 01:37:58,500
or somebody clicking to to someone else

1980
01:38:06,420 --> 01:38:04,150
hello Wow I'm sorry like you I just was

1981
01:38:09,330 --> 01:38:06,430
distracted by the message board all

1982
01:38:15,500 --> 01:38:09,340
right so so they actually heard clicking

1983
01:38:18,690 --> 01:38:15,510
noises like Munich ating it sounded like

1984
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:18,700
it was two distinct clicking sounds to

1985
01:38:24,810 --> 01:38:21,850
each other yes and it came from two

1986
01:38:27,090 --> 01:38:24,820
families at that point I had not

1987
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:27,100
introduced the families but after that

1988
01:38:31,710 --> 01:38:28,960
I'm like but you two guys need to start

1989
01:38:34,260 --> 01:38:31,720
talking because you have similar

1990
01:38:36,330 --> 01:38:34,270
situations going on and you live half

1991
01:38:38,490 --> 01:38:36,340
the stayed away from each other did they

1992
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:38,500
actually get in touch with each other oh

1993
01:38:45,870 --> 01:38:41,530
yeah they did well our people hesitant

1994
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:45,880
to do that sure sure I mean you uh you

1995
01:38:49,140 --> 01:38:47,410
think your life is crazy you don't want

1996
01:38:52,980 --> 01:38:49,150
to hear about somebody else's crazy life

1997
01:38:55,620 --> 01:38:52,990
but I bet it helps it's like any like

1998
01:38:58,680 --> 01:38:55,630
group therapy type of thing to talk

1999
01:39:01,110 --> 01:38:58,690
about you know the fears and absolutely

2000
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:01,120
anger and all whatever else goes along

2001
01:39:04,410 --> 01:39:03,010
with it which I imagine there's anger

2002
01:39:08,670 --> 01:39:04,420
has to be a part of it I would think

2003
01:39:11,490 --> 01:39:08,680
cäcilie yeah there's no um so like I

2004
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:11,500
said this is we're giving people a venue

2005
01:39:22,950 --> 01:39:17,440
to share their stories it helps them

2006
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:22,960
integrate this into their lives and it's

2007
01:39:27,930 --> 01:39:25,690
it's a comfort it really is a comfort to

2008
01:39:31,050 --> 01:39:27,940
these people to know that they're not

2009
01:39:32,100 --> 01:39:31,060
alone they are not judged by everyone

2010
01:39:33,660 --> 01:39:32,110
there is

2011
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:33,670
a place where they can share their

2012
01:39:40,850 --> 01:39:37,210
stories right right one of the things I

2013
01:39:45,300 --> 01:39:40,860
wanted to ask you with this interview is

2014
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:45,310
what do you think the drones and again

2015
01:39:48,990 --> 01:39:46,690
Chinese lanterns well how do you think

2016
01:39:51,180 --> 01:39:49,000
they're playing into the amount of

2017
01:39:52,770 --> 01:39:51,190
sightings that are going on oh sure I

2018
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:52,780
mean absolutely that you know they will

2019
01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:55,210
be confused i made sure i did my test i

2020
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:57,040
bought my little chinese lantern eyelid

2021
01:40:01,890 --> 01:39:59,199
it with my family and we let it i

2022
01:40:06,060 --> 01:40:01,900
recorded it so i know exactly what it

2023
01:40:07,709 --> 01:40:06,070
looks like not video camera and you know

2024
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:07,719
absolutely there are some people that

2025
01:40:13,649 --> 01:40:10,330
are reporting Chinese lanterns and they

2026
01:40:16,859 --> 01:40:13,659
were going to confuse with a UFO um I I

2027
01:40:18,930 --> 01:40:16,869
think one my my true test for whether

2028
01:40:23,540 --> 01:40:18,940
it's a Chinese lantern is Chinese

2029
01:40:25,890 --> 01:40:23,550
lanterns don't make big zigzag moves and

2030
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:25,900
they're kind of slow moving even with a

2031
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:27,850
win I mean if it's at a high altitude

2032
01:40:32,490 --> 01:40:30,610
yes winds do blow in different

2033
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:32,500
directions at different altitudes they

2034
01:40:38,100 --> 01:40:34,449
still don't zigzag and move up and down

2035
01:40:40,830 --> 01:40:38,110
is their drones um we have a really

2036
01:40:45,090 --> 01:40:40,840
interesting video I think he came from

2037
01:40:49,370 --> 01:40:45,100
Raleigh North Carolina oh very very

2038
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:49,380
bright almost a violet color UFO above a

2039
01:40:55,260 --> 01:40:52,810
look like a motel and it was sitting

2040
01:40:58,500 --> 01:40:55,270
perfectly still and then it came down

2041
01:41:01,590 --> 01:40:58,510
behind the motel and then went back up

2042
01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:01,600
and took off could it have been a draw

2043
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:04,000
some kind of drone up you know someone

2044
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:08,530
private flying toy mmm yes but there was

2045
01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:12,010
no sound you couldn't hear it the drones

2046
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:14,320
that yeah the little toy quadrocopter

2047
01:41:20,540 --> 01:41:17,530
zit that we see are pretty loud and this

2048
01:41:24,540 --> 01:41:20,550
thing was so bright it was an electric

2049
01:41:28,669 --> 01:41:24,550
violet is a very distinct color i don't

2050
01:41:35,580 --> 01:41:28,679
i don't think it could have been a drum

2051
01:41:36,959 --> 01:41:35,590
right we we have about i say we have

2052
01:41:38,810 --> 01:41:36,969
about 20 minutes so we got plenty of

2053
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:38,820
time if anyone would like to call in

2054
01:41:45,839 --> 01:41:44,320
that 6039 67 40 30 or if you'd like to

2055
01:41:49,439 --> 01:41:45,849
engage in asking

2056
01:41:52,859 --> 01:41:49,449
the Israel a question you can go to the

2057
01:41:59,159 --> 01:41:52,869
message board at podcast UFO com if

2058
01:42:00,659 --> 01:41:59,169
you're listening live so I had another

2059
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:00,669
question that came up I was just trying

2060
01:42:06,929 --> 01:42:03,760
to trying to find it I personally saw

2061
01:42:09,330 --> 01:42:06,939
the other night at the July fourth I saw

2062
01:42:11,580 --> 01:42:09,340
you know someone put up I think there

2063
01:42:14,250 --> 01:42:11,590
was a series of five Chinese lanterns

2064
01:42:16,949 --> 01:42:14,260
and I think they're pretty easy to tell

2065
01:42:18,750 --> 01:42:16,959
that they are you know I mean per person

2066
01:42:22,589 --> 01:42:18,760
has never seen one I can understand that

2067
01:42:26,099 --> 01:42:22,599
shut up but they seem like they're you

2068
01:42:28,259 --> 01:42:26,109
know it would be hard to confuse them

2069
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:28,269
once you know what they are about it

2070
01:42:32,310 --> 01:42:30,489
that way absolutely yeah you know I

2071
01:42:34,830 --> 01:42:32,320
think it's really important that every

2072
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:34,840
investigator go out and buy a Chinese

2073
01:42:42,719 --> 01:42:37,449
lantern so that you can fully appreciate

2074
01:42:48,060 --> 01:42:42,729
the differences right um you know and I

2075
01:42:51,330 --> 01:42:48,070
i want to say unless you are talking to

2076
01:42:53,489 --> 01:42:51,340
these people yeah obviously I know what

2077
01:42:55,919 --> 01:42:53,499
I realized that things I'm saying the

2078
01:42:59,580 --> 01:42:55,929
things i'm sharing are very far out

2079
01:43:02,159 --> 01:42:59,590
there you have a lot of investigators

2080
01:43:04,290 --> 01:43:02,169
because these people want to know the

2081
01:43:07,739 --> 01:43:04,300
truth that's right what they start

2082
01:43:11,310 --> 01:43:07,749
hearing it they're like oh my god this

2083
01:43:12,599 --> 01:43:11,320
is real that's why I got so many hang on

2084
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:12,609
just a second we have a caller on the

2085
01:43:18,779 --> 01:43:15,489
line caller please say who you are and

2086
01:43:23,099 --> 01:43:18,789
go ahead and ask you a question oh this

2087
01:43:26,639 --> 01:43:23,109
is ken I'm the one on right I guess hi I

2088
01:43:28,469 --> 01:43:26,649
got a question for you now I supplied

2089
01:43:29,849 --> 01:43:28,479
contractor equipment to all the

2090
01:43:33,149 --> 01:43:29,859
government bases in Southern California

2091
01:43:36,299 --> 01:43:33,159
up in the high desert some of the things

2092
01:43:38,909 --> 01:43:36,309
I saw they were unidentified to me and I

2093
01:43:40,770 --> 01:43:38,919
was told in no uncertain terms to let

2094
01:43:43,349 --> 01:43:40,780
say a word that I even saw it there was

2095
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:43,359
a window left open on top of the JPL on

2096
01:43:50,849 --> 01:43:47,530
a rocket site mountain and I had to go

2097
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:50,859
in and help contractor build a special

2098
01:43:54,869 --> 01:43:52,449
equipment they need for some of their

2099
01:43:56,839 --> 01:43:54,879
work which is what i did in regular

2100
01:43:59,310 --> 01:43:56,849
basis lockheed helendale china lake

2101
01:44:01,649 --> 01:43:59,320
edwards the whole deal

2102
01:44:05,899 --> 01:44:01,659
but this thing here it was hovering

2103
01:44:08,609 --> 01:44:05,909
about four feet off the ground and

2104
01:44:10,620 --> 01:44:08,619
electrostatic my hair was on and the guy

2105
01:44:13,770 --> 01:44:10,630
grabbed ahold of me when he saw i saw it

2106
01:44:16,050 --> 01:44:13,780
and just kept fingered of my finger to

2107
01:44:18,750 --> 01:44:16,060
the mouth now there's things i run into

2108
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:18,760
during the course of a job now you can't

2109
01:44:23,879 --> 01:44:21,280
be there unidentified of me but are they

2110
01:44:27,919 --> 01:44:23,889
actually unidentified flying objects

2111
01:44:31,260 --> 01:44:27,929
because they're in a military facility

2112
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:31,270
and are they worth reporting caller

2113
01:44:34,050 --> 01:44:33,010
thanks for the question if you continue

2114
01:44:35,700 --> 01:44:34,060
speaking could you speak up a little

2115
01:44:37,439 --> 01:44:35,710
louder words it's really kind of a

2116
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:37,449
little bit hard to hear you thank you

2117
01:44:41,459 --> 01:44:38,530
for calling in and what's your name

2118
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:41,469
again please my name is ken ken thanks

2119
01:44:45,870 --> 01:44:43,090
for calling in Israel do you have a

2120
01:44:50,490 --> 01:44:45,880
comment on that sure no I I do believe

2121
01:44:53,790 --> 01:44:50,500
that some are a mil American military as

2122
01:44:56,010 --> 01:44:53,800
a matter of fact we have a person one of

2123
01:44:58,589 --> 01:44:56,020
my first witnesses was from Virginia

2124
01:45:01,979 --> 01:44:58,599
real close to north carolina border that

2125
01:45:05,419 --> 01:45:01,989
he had video of what looked like a

2126
01:45:10,439 --> 01:45:05,429
triangular UFO that was being escorted

2127
01:45:12,780 --> 01:45:10,449
by at least two fighter jets maybe a

2128
01:45:14,700 --> 01:45:12,790
third and in this video he said it

2129
01:45:16,919 --> 01:45:14,710
literally looked like one of the fighter

2130
01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:16,929
jets was flying at the point the front

2131
01:45:21,780 --> 01:45:19,570
point of the triangular UFO to try to

2132
01:45:24,930 --> 01:45:21,790
hide it or disguise the shape of this

2133
01:45:26,939 --> 01:45:24,940
object the video I mean it's obviously

2134
01:45:30,089 --> 01:45:26,949
really dark it's really hard to see but

2135
01:45:32,490 --> 01:45:30,099
he said that this these fighter jets

2136
01:45:34,950 --> 01:45:32,500
were escorting this triangular UFO so

2137
01:45:38,189 --> 01:45:34,960
yeah I do believe some of it is American

2138
01:45:40,620 --> 01:45:38,199
military equipment but it is so far

2139
01:45:44,220 --> 01:45:40,630
beyond our current understanding of

2140
01:45:47,370 --> 01:45:44,230
Technology even a second this was back

2141
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:47,380
in nineteen eighty nine hmm when I saw

2142
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:50,050
this and a channel Lake naval weapons

2143
01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:52,090
right across the same thing I had a base

2144
01:45:56,310 --> 01:45:53,760
sticker I could go pretty much anywhere

2145
01:45:59,189 --> 01:45:56,320
until somebody with machine gun said

2146
01:46:01,979 --> 01:45:59,199
halt and that I know that I was not

2147
01:46:04,859 --> 01:46:01,989
intentionally lost anymore I loved

2148
01:46:06,209 --> 01:46:04,869
looking around these places but there

2149
01:46:10,220 --> 01:46:06,219
was something that had fallen off a

2150
01:46:13,140 --> 01:46:10,230
truck up at China Lake and I had to help

2151
01:46:16,710 --> 01:46:13,150
put together some kind of a sling

2152
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:16,720
too real to get underneath it in a

2153
01:46:20,210 --> 01:46:18,130
certain way because some of the other

2154
01:46:22,410 --> 01:46:20,220
stuff would kind of push through and

2155
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:22,420
being a distributor for a lot of this

2156
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:24,970
product you know they had to call us to

2157
01:46:30,990 --> 01:46:26,890
get it built then they could use it it

2158
01:46:32,700 --> 01:46:31,000
was just rare situations so there was an

2159
01:46:34,770 --> 01:46:32,710
object pretty close to that that it you

2160
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:34,780
know get out of so was it being worked

2161
01:46:38,340 --> 01:46:36,970
on to China Lake I don't know was it

2162
01:46:40,440 --> 01:46:38,350
ours I don't know but this is back in

2163
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:40,450
the 80s the guy told me a year later

2164
01:46:45,870 --> 01:46:44,050
after i prodded him quite a bit I said

2165
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:45,880
what is that thing and he said well

2166
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:47,770
there was a it was part of the star wars

2167
01:46:52,830 --> 01:46:50,410
he said that was not supposed to work

2168
01:46:55,650 --> 01:46:52,840
and it was involved in counter rotating

2169
01:46:59,610 --> 01:46:55,660
magnetic fields and it projected a hole

2170
01:47:02,670 --> 01:46:59,620
and that's as far as you go oh that's

2171
01:47:08,100 --> 01:47:02,680
that's really interesting that is really

2172
01:47:10,850 --> 01:47:08,110
interesting um yeah that's actually one

2173
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:10,860
of my witnesses it talked about that

2174
01:47:15,090 --> 01:47:13,210
look at that so I was like your hand in

2175
01:47:17,190 --> 01:47:15,100
a bathtub when you move it halfway

2176
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:17,200
underneath everything behind it sucked

2177
01:47:21,570 --> 01:47:19,810
behind you in the water he says this

2178
01:47:24,750 --> 01:47:21,580
thing depending on where aims a hole

2179
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:24,760
where projects it is where the thing

2180
01:47:28,860 --> 01:47:26,650
will go and the farther the hole is the

2181
01:47:31,230 --> 01:47:28,870
faster travels and they were all drones

2182
01:47:36,210 --> 01:47:31,240
at that time he said because no person

2183
01:47:38,100 --> 01:47:36,220
that could exist in them yeah so uh I

2184
01:47:41,250 --> 01:47:38,110
want to share with you what my Raleigh

2185
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:41,260
North Carolina case told me he said the

2186
01:47:45,890 --> 01:47:43,210
way that it these crafts our propellant

2187
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:45,900
is yes they are two counter-rotating

2188
01:47:57,720 --> 01:47:49,810
strong magnetic fields it is literally

2189
01:48:00,120 --> 01:47:57,730
creating a gravity ah point B in front

2190
01:48:01,500 --> 01:48:00,130
of them behind them and I don't know I

2191
01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:01,510
don't think he said anything about how

2192
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:03,760
far it was but I mean I guess it makes

2193
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:09,370
sense wherever that gravity point is set

2194
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:13,210
that's where your craft will go on so

2195
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:14,560
that's not the first time I've heard

2196
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:16,930
about that that is very nice the thing

2197
01:48:21,180 --> 01:48:19,360
that he said this was their hangar I I

2198
01:48:24,090 --> 01:48:21,190
had to go through the approval to get on

2199
01:48:26,790 --> 01:48:24,100
top JPL sign all the stuff as 30 years

2200
01:48:28,770 --> 01:48:26,800
ago and I

2201
01:48:30,330 --> 01:48:28,780
the be escorted up handed off and I was

2202
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:30,340
following the guy and all of a sudden

2203
01:48:34,140 --> 01:48:32,650
there was this little port whole thing

2204
01:48:36,150 --> 01:48:34,150
that was kind of open I looked inside

2205
01:48:39,590 --> 01:48:36,160
dusty just sitting in there humming and

2206
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:39,600
hovering and he said it was just it's

2207
01:48:47,370 --> 01:48:43,570
Vicki he said that there was like 80 or

2208
01:48:48,780 --> 01:48:47,380
90 these things around or in orbit right

2209
01:48:50,370 --> 01:48:48,790
now and he says we don't have to worry

2210
01:48:53,850 --> 01:48:50,380
about a blasted thing he says they'll

2211
01:48:56,100 --> 01:48:53,860
take care of it interesting story can

2212
01:48:58,290 --> 01:48:56,110
thanks so much for calling in hey thanks

2213
01:48:59,520 --> 01:48:58,300
enjoy the show Thanks so so let me

2214
01:49:03,270 --> 01:48:59,530
address one of the questions that came

2215
01:49:05,730 --> 01:49:03,280
up here um can you move will they follow

2216
01:49:08,190 --> 01:49:05,740
you let me tell you what I told my North

2217
01:49:10,710 --> 01:49:08,200
Carolina k about the geographica this is

2218
01:49:12,810 --> 01:49:10,720
a question yes okay so what I told my

2219
01:49:15,930 --> 01:49:12,820
ash Ville North Carolina case she is

2220
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:15,940
moved from Florida to Georgia to

2221
01:49:22,170 --> 01:49:18,850
Asheville and I told her if they came

2222
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:22,180
across from another star system from

2223
01:49:27,900 --> 01:49:24,970
another galaxy you moving a thousand

2224
01:49:31,230 --> 01:49:27,910
miles doesn't make any difference they

2225
01:49:32,850 --> 01:49:31,240
always find you and even my Raleigh case

2226
01:49:35,130 --> 01:49:32,860
he's moved three or four times I'm like

2227
01:49:37,950 --> 01:49:35,140
stop moving that it doesn't help you can

2228
01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:37,960
never stop it will always follow you it

2229
01:49:42,690 --> 01:49:40,450
will follow you and it follows your

2230
01:49:44,310 --> 01:49:42,700
family it would make you think that

2231
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:44,320
you'd have to have some type of implant

2232
01:49:50,220 --> 01:49:47,290
or how would they you know how how could

2233
01:49:52,260 --> 01:49:50,230
they actually know that that's what's so

2234
01:49:54,900 --> 01:49:52,270
bizarre and you know it's kind of like

2235
01:49:57,150 --> 01:49:54,910
the more you think you figure out the

2236
01:50:02,400 --> 01:49:57,160
more questions there are really yeah

2237
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:02,410
yeah I the implants yes thatthat's by me

2238
01:50:05,370 --> 01:50:03,850
what we would naturally assume you there

2239
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:05,380
had to be an implant but but who knows

2240
01:50:13,410 --> 01:50:09,130
maybe it's just somehow they can detect

2241
01:50:15,450 --> 01:50:13,420
there's some kind of biomarker from just

2242
01:50:16,740 --> 01:50:15,460
your body chemistry all that that's

2243
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:16,750
something I never thought of that's a

2244
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:19,690
good good question do they ever do you

2245
01:50:30,570 --> 01:50:24,610
ever get any reports of orbs that are a

2246
01:50:33,330 --> 01:50:30,580
UV blacklight in appearance um now no

2247
01:50:36,990 --> 01:50:33,340
not really I can tell you that i have

2248
01:50:38,430 --> 01:50:37,000
seen what looks like orbs with the night

2249
01:50:40,830 --> 01:50:38,440
vision and i couldn't see it with my own

2250
01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:40,840
eyes um

2251
01:50:48,210 --> 01:50:44,560
but that's that's the only thing I mean

2252
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:48,220
so things are clearing in ultra wat or

2253
01:50:55,110 --> 01:50:51,610
in infrared but not are not visible to

2254
01:50:58,530 --> 01:50:55,120
the naked eye ok now another question up

2255
01:51:02,820 --> 01:50:58,540
there as the PR person for MUFON we all

2256
01:51:04,890 --> 01:51:02,830
heard Bigelow disaster and chase klutz

2257
01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:04,900
Keys fall out with MUFON I actually

2258
01:51:12,480 --> 01:51:09,280
didn't hear that but I so so what's

2259
01:51:16,130 --> 01:51:12,490
going on with MUFON lately you know I am

2260
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:16,140
I really don't care about the glue that

2261
01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:18,730
what I'm more concerned about are my

2262
01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:21,070
witnesses in North Carolina and that

2263
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:23,410
they want to share their stories that is

2264
01:51:30,440 --> 01:51:26,970
my number one priority I I do realize it

2265
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:30,450
people frequently want to bring up the

2266
01:51:35,220 --> 01:51:32,530
conspiracy between Bigelow and move on

2267
01:51:39,510 --> 01:51:35,230
yeah I don't care if it's true or not

2268
01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:39,520
true all i care about is my witnesses in

2269
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:42,370
north carolina have a story they need to

2270
01:51:48,230 --> 01:51:45,520
tell and share and in and i'm gonna

2271
01:51:56,040 --> 01:51:48,240
document those those cases the sightings

2272
01:51:57,900 --> 01:51:56,050
well good enough let's see Peggy wanted

2273
01:52:00,900 --> 01:51:57,910
to know she hates when I say her name

2274
01:52:03,810 --> 01:52:00,910
sorry Peggy if you should report a

2275
01:52:08,850 --> 01:52:03,820
sighting to move on even though it's on

2276
01:52:13,170 --> 01:52:08,860
an army base like frost we hand you just

2277
01:52:15,330 --> 01:52:13,180
called in yeah so yeah that we do have

2278
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:15,340
the sighting reports from around

2279
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:17,530
military bases and they'll specifically

2280
01:52:21,570 --> 01:52:19,570
say look we know what the military

2281
01:52:23,900 --> 01:52:21,580
crafts look like because we always see

2282
01:52:26,460 --> 01:52:23,910
them this was so very different and

2283
01:52:28,830 --> 01:52:26,470
Maddie I got to tell you if I have to

2284
01:52:31,350 --> 01:52:28,840
convince you to join me fine then don't

2285
01:52:34,470 --> 01:52:31,360
join move on you have to want to know

2286
01:52:35,940 --> 01:52:34,480
you have to want you see your that's

2287
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:35,950
totally the wrong way to go about it you

2288
01:52:40,110 --> 01:52:37,930
need to know the truth then you have to

2289
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:40,120
find the truth for yourself nobody's

2290
01:52:45,540 --> 01:52:43,210
going to do that for you alright so I

2291
01:52:49,890 --> 01:52:45,550
don't need to ask you that question now

2292
01:52:52,950 --> 01:52:49,900
no it's it's up to the adventure in the

2293
01:52:54,510 --> 01:52:52,960
individual it's a personal choice if you

2294
01:52:57,540 --> 01:52:54,520
want to write it off

2295
01:53:00,690 --> 01:52:57,550
miss it out of hand no problem if you've

2296
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:00,700
seen a craft you need to have answers so

2297
01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:02,410
you need to join move on or just come to

2298
01:53:06,570 --> 01:53:04,570
the meetings and hear how many of your

2299
01:53:08,970 --> 01:53:06,580
neighbors are hearing it I don't care

2300
01:53:12,180 --> 01:53:08,980
where you live your neighbors have had

2301
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:12,190
sightings you if you ask your friends

2302
01:53:16,830 --> 01:53:14,530
and neighbors you're going to be

2303
01:53:20,430 --> 01:53:16,840
surprised one of them has added UFO

2304
01:53:23,190 --> 01:53:20,440
sighting I am totally surprised you're

2305
01:53:25,590 --> 01:53:23,200
right I you know the subjects come up a

2306
01:53:27,420 --> 01:53:25,600
number of times where I'll get the

2307
01:53:29,160 --> 01:53:27,430
courage and I'll finally tell someone in

2308
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:29,170
business or whatever well hey you know I

2309
01:53:36,600 --> 01:53:33,730
do this show on UFOs and surprisingly i

2310
01:53:40,430 --> 01:53:36,610
would say like half the time you know

2311
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:40,440
like this business exec by dared to tell

2312
01:53:45,540 --> 01:53:43,090
he all of a sudden said yeah my son and

2313
01:53:47,460 --> 01:53:45,550
I saw something that we just absolutely

2314
01:53:49,890 --> 01:53:47,470
can't explain you know over the water

2315
01:53:52,740 --> 01:53:49,900
one time and you know so you're right

2316
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:52,750
there's a there's so many people that

2317
01:53:57,960 --> 01:53:55,810
have had sighting now when I had Seth

2318
01:54:01,440 --> 01:53:57,970
Shostak on you know a couple years ago

2319
01:54:03,810 --> 01:54:01,450
he's saying he said you know quote oh I

2320
01:54:05,580 --> 01:54:03,820
saw something really strange too and you

2321
01:54:07,410 --> 01:54:05,590
know I had no idea what it was and you

2322
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:07,420
know it ended up being a missile launch

2323
01:54:10,980 --> 01:54:09,520
and that's you know that's what they are

2324
01:54:13,950 --> 01:54:10,990
you know that type of thing you know

2325
01:54:15,930 --> 01:54:13,960
there's but there's so he got lucky and

2326
01:54:18,780 --> 01:54:15,940
he found you know a prosaic reason for

2327
01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:18,790
that but there's so many that absolutely

2328
01:54:23,730 --> 01:54:22,090
have no clue and that's what happened to

2329
01:54:28,110 --> 01:54:23,740
me you know and I told him about my

2330
01:54:30,810 --> 01:54:28,120
sighting and and you know he did it can

2331
01:54:35,550 --> 01:54:30,820
all be explained according to people

2332
01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:35,560
like that sure and so the people going

2333
01:54:39,290 --> 01:54:36,730
to explain it out of hand have never

2334
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:39,300
seen a UFO that's that's just what it is

2335
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:43,450
and yes MUFON has chapters all over the

2336
01:54:50,700 --> 01:54:46,090
world we get reports from all over the

2337
01:54:53,400 --> 01:54:50,710
world if you can't you know I mean I

2338
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:53,410
don't know what the chapter situation is

2339
01:54:58,680 --> 01:54:55,210
like in Australia but if you can't find

2340
01:55:00,900 --> 01:54:58,690
one contact MUFON start that chapter

2341
01:55:03,450 --> 01:55:00,910
start a web site start organizing

2342
01:55:04,740 --> 01:55:03,460
meetings I can tell you the excuse me

2343
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:04,750
the first meeting I organized here in

2344
01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:06,250
Charlotte I always scared to death I

2345
01:55:08,130 --> 01:55:07,330
thought everybody was going to show up

2346
01:55:10,610 --> 01:55:08,140
with these foil

2347
01:55:12,990 --> 01:55:10,620
and everyone was gonna be crazy and

2348
01:55:14,970 --> 01:55:13,000
funniest thing happened it was actually

2349
01:55:16,830 --> 01:55:14,980
for some professional people this showed

2350
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:16,840
up it was only like ten people the first

2351
01:55:20,820 --> 01:55:18,970
meeting and then 15 showed up the next

2352
01:55:23,730 --> 01:55:20,830
one and then 40 showed up third one in

2353
01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:23,740
and it just goes from there every city

2354
01:55:29,730 --> 01:55:26,530
that I go to there are people who've had

2355
01:55:32,040 --> 01:55:29,740
sightings and experiences well I I'm

2356
01:55:34,860 --> 01:55:32,050
convinced it's not just North kellen it

2357
01:55:36,860 --> 01:55:34,870
has to happen everywhere well Israel I

2358
01:55:39,120 --> 01:55:36,870
want to really thank you very much for

2359
01:55:40,920 --> 01:55:39,130
being on the show tonight it's been

2360
01:55:43,830 --> 01:55:40,930
great thanks so much i appreciate you

2361
01:55:47,190 --> 01:55:43,840
having me on you bet and so I want to

2362
01:55:49,530 --> 01:55:47,200
say everyone this the show is free to

2363
01:55:53,220 --> 01:55:49,540
all listeners of not halfway through

2364
01:55:57,660 --> 01:55:53,230
like usual and it's in the memory of a

2365
01:56:02,280 --> 01:55:57,670
great guy that used to be on on this

2366
01:56:04,140 --> 01:56:02,290
show he was Andy Fleming and he passed

2367
01:56:07,710 --> 01:56:04,150
away recently so the show is in memory

2368
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:07,720
of him and he will be sorely missed I

2369
01:56:10,470 --> 01:56:09,250
want to thank everyone for helping out

2370
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:10,480
with the show and I kind of feel a

2371
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:13,330
little crazy because I have not thanked

2372
01:56:17,850 --> 01:56:15,250
Keith in the dark matter radio

2373
01:56:19,200 --> 01:56:17,860
networking he's producing the show thank

2374
01:56:21,270 --> 01:56:19,210
everyone else always forget you Keith

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thanks very much Peggy thank you for

2376
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managing the facebook page i want to

2377
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thank our guests of course and Alejandro

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Rojas for the news this is Martin Willis

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we'll see you next week and with Erica